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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm white and graduated from an Ivy. My spouse is Asian and also graduated from an Ivy. We come from working-class backgrounds/first generation college.

The day when elite American colleges can admit whomever they want, however they want, seems to be drawing to a close. Harvard didn't have an easy time of it from 2014-2018 with the Students for Fair Admissions suit, although technically the university was cleared.  Harvard's admission rates for Asians has risen by at least 5 percentage points since 2014.  Now Edward Blum's Project on Fair Representation has Chapel Hill in its sights.  A ruling beating back consideration of race in admissions at a public university would set the tone for private institutions if a precedent assailing affirmative action is established.  I'd wager that this Court will go at Chapel Hill in a couple of years. Private colleges and universities in this country aren't entirely private of course, being dependent on government grants and subsidized student loan programs to survive.

The days when AA students can be admitted to elite colleges, both public and private, with SAT scores that are, on average, 400 points lower than those of Asian applicants appear numbered due to Trump's SC appointments.  It might behoove the Banneker community to take note.[/quote]

But why don’t you go after the rich white families with legacy status and low test scores with this much vitriol? I don’t get it. I mean I get it that you have something against AA students that’s crystal clear. AA student still make up a very small percentage of Ivy League and top tier admittance. Yet this seems to be the population with which you have some weird fixation. [/quote]

[b]Not PP you're responding to, but in fact AA students are OVER-represented at some elite schools, including some Ivies, compared to their percentage of the overall population: https://www.jbhe.com/2021/04/blacks-make-up-18-percent-of-admitted-students-at-harvard-university/[/b]

I don't have a problem with that so long as they had to meet the same admissions requirements as everyone else, but they have not had to do that because of longstanding affirmative action advantages granted to them. They get in because of their race, even though they are less qualified, while others do not get in because they are the "wrong" race.

If you want a truly fair system for elite institutions, drop all the legacy, athletics, rich parent preferences being granted to (mainly) white applicants, and drop the affirmative action advantages too. Base it on scores and grades and recommendations, and if you want to give anyone a leg up, make it because of their socioeconomic disadvantage, not the color of their skin.

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DP but man you are stupid. This is for ONE class (2025) at ONE University.
Now why don't you talk about how Asians are OVER-represented at many elite schools compare to their percentage of the overall population? [/quote]

I'm the PP you are calling stupid. Yes, that is for one class at Harvard. Here are some other stats that show high percentages of AA students at top universities:  (These are from stats gathered a few years ago and are likely higher for more recent classes)

https://www.jbhe.com/2018/01/black-first-year-students-at-nations-leading-research-universities/

As I said, I have no problem w/ any racial or ethnic group being over-represented at any institution, as long as they got there by meeting the same requirements as everyone else. Today that would likely mean a much higher percentage of Asian students at many of our nation's top schools. Great! They did the work and got the scores and grades to get in. They earned those places.

What I have a problem with is decades of lowered standards for affirmative action, legacy, and athletic applicants. It's unfair to all students to lower standards for some. I agree with the poster upthread that schools will start facing more lawsuits about this in the years to come. Good. We shouldn't be punishing hardworking students from ANY racial or ethnic group, but right now we are. A class-based system that looks at economic disadvantage as a factor, as well as what the military service academies do for remedial needs of students, would go a  much longer way to giving all students greater opportunities.

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DP. But you are arguing that minorities are automatically less qualified, always. My Hispanic DH has heard this his entire adult life from people that he got into school only because of affirmative action. His SAT scores were high but his Asian frat brothers always claimed he did worse than them and some of their friends who weren’t accepted to the school. They seemed to overlook all his other accomplishments, which were far more impressive than SAT scores.[/quote]

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