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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You are delusional. What you are saying would only make sense for a sterilizing vaccine (vaccinated are totally immune to infection) with no animal reservoirs. Every person on earth could be vaccinated FORCIBLY and this thing would still be here. [/quote]

Who cares?  The point is to reduce ICU admissions, not to eliminate COVID.  Note that I said it'll be endemic.  It will literally never ever be eliminated.  But we can't have morons using societal resources and then thinking their idiot selves get to make choices about whether or not vaccines are safe.[/quote]

How many ICU admissions are being avoided by vaccinating healthy children or even healthy 20 something's? This is a money grab. [/quote]

PP here, and I honestly do agree for the most part.  That being said, we need to just go back to normal.  Without masks for elementary school and younger AND their teachers.  So if we need less community spread for people to be politically okay to do that, vaccinate the shit out of everyone.  Not only fire people who won't get it, remove them entirely from society.  The point is not whether it works or not - the point is that the American public is pretty stupid and and way too empowered - the average person needs to feel way less comfortable with pushing back against scientific recommendation.

The point I'm trying to make is actually about teachers and mask mandates - that teachers need to be in-person, unmasked every. single. day and mask mandates in educational settings must go.  They should also be vaccine mandates for teachers.  I really don't care if they get sick and die, but they could infect students.  Finally, no one who is dumb enough to be anti-vaxx should be teaching anything (or employed at all).[/quote]

You don't agree with me at all! You are an authoritarian! The point HAS to be whether it works or not, not about controlling people to the point of removing them from society. I am ashamed to share this country with people of your mindset. [/quote]

The feeling is entirely mutual. And yea, at this point I don’t give a flying fig about anti-vaxxers (or their idiot enablers - looking at you).  I’m not suggesting we should execute them, just require their vaccination as a condition of participating in anything publicly funded.  Do you not drive on the right side of the road?  There are a million things we are required to do to participate in society.

And I agree that this might be a money-making thing but frankly I don’t care.  Get vaccinated or get out.[/quote]

NP. The PP was referring to mandates for kids I believe. I agree with your posts - I strongly believe school and kids’ lives are more important than trying to keep anyone over 75 alive - but I think mandates for young kids are ethically questionable, given the marginal risk-benefit ratio in that age group with this virus. I will vaccinate mine, but only to end the restrictions being imposed on them by society, not because I think there is a medical imperative.[/quote]

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