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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Virginia &gt; W&M &gt; Tufts/Emory/WUSTL and it isn't even close.[/quote]

What is not close? W&M acceptance rate is in the mid 30's. [b]You're delusional to think it can compete with the others on student quality.[/b] Tufts is ranked lower than UVA so there's no good reason to pay more for it unless you want to do engineering. [/quote]

The OP was interested in law placement.  For the last two classes admitted at UVA Law, UVA placed 39 and W&M 22.  If you consider that UVA has 2.6X as many undergraduates, W&M placed more on a per capita basis at UVA Law than UVA.   And really, while law schools consider undergraduate school reputation, but they are going to look at direct measures of applicant quality.  The LSAC publishes average LSAT and GPA by institution.  In 2017 (the most recent year reported), UVA applicants had an average LSAT of 160.84 and GPA of 3.43.  W&M was slightly higher at 161.18 average LSAT and 3.44 average GPA.  In comparison, Emory was 160.64 and 3.51, Washington U was 164.05 and 3.65, and Tufts was 164.48 and 3.62.

I[b]f you are trying to reduce student quality to acceptance rate, you should also keep in mind that this would mean Northeastern University, with a 19% admission rate has superior student quality to UVA or W&M.  (They had 62,000 applications last year.)  Tufts acceptance rate is under 15%, so although you dismiss it as lower ranked, it is more selective as well by that metric.  It also has a middle 50% SAT of 1380 to 1530 vs UVA's 1330 to 1500.[/b]

The real question is, if you have the same stats (LSAT and GPA) coming out of these schools, does one give you a measurable leg up over the others?[/quote]

You cannot compare acceptance rates of privates to publics.  It doesn't work that way.  Public universities like UVA, UCLA, UCI, UC Santa Barbara, Berkeley, have very different missions than privates and serve different purposes.  The high schools in California and VA route the students most likely to be accepted to the most appropriate UC school, or in the case of Virginia, the most appropriate VA school.  Also, the SAT, ACT and GPA cut-offs are public knowledge so Virginia High school students and their counselors self-screen because they know it makes no sense to apply to UVA if not in the top ten percent of the classs.  Ergo, you can't compare percentage of selectivity of publics to privates because they receive completely different sets of applications from very different groups of students.  I think that's pretty obvious - it is at least to college counselors.[/quote]

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