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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Op here

Got a call today from the coordinator

- she said many communities prepare for NNAT and cogat so they want to see samples showing critical thinking 
- I accepted we did not do well with work samples but asked her Wisc cannot be prepared or coached and in that one on one assessment my son has been evaluated for critical thinking, processing etc so why that has been denied too
- there was no straight answer for this but she said he can be referred for level II or level Iii immediately or even level IV from second semester

So we got to know why the original application was denied but no info on appeal decision.[/quote]

So I was the second poster with the child with 99 percentile NNAt, 99 percentile Cogat, 99 percentile Wisc and 15 GRBS. I spoke with Kristen Maloney today and she went through my application with me.  She started by saying AAP is not based only on the testing but other things as well because people can do well on tests by prepping.  I said although we did not prep, i can understand that, but that wouldn't explain the High WISC score that you can't prep for and I had a few days to get done between being found ineligible and needing to submit my appeal.  I asked for examples of what these "other things" were and she elaborated to say progress reports, GRBS and work samples.  I said we had all A's on our progress report and a high GRBS and solid work samples.   She went through everything and said I am not sure why the committee did not accept you, the only issue I see is the  commentary on your GRBS didn't have enough examples to support the GRBS of 15. She wanted to see more specific examples of why the GRBS was high.  I pointed out that at the beginning she stated that AAP was not based on one specific criteria and that the only possible reason she could give me was the commentary and she responded by getting defensive and saying that there is not a report stating why my daughter did not get in and she agrees the application is good and I should reapply next year.  She said no need to retake any of the tests and gave me a few examples of how the commentary could be more specific for my daughter and that was that.

At the end of the conversation I felt completely irritated because I had no real answer except for the commentary which is one aspect out of an otherwise solid application. [/quote]

but isn't that exactly what she said, that the decision is based on more than just test scores? so the committee supposedly looked at everything in the file and didn't like the commentary (for whatever reason) therefore found it ineligible. in other words, a file might have to "check all the marks" for it to be found eligible.[/quote]

No sorry what she said is the decision is not based on only one criteria such as test scores alone, but then yet the only criteria she did not like was the commentary[/quote]

It's both the comments that undermines the 'questionable' scores. Probably the work samples too.

And as much as DCUM likes to think IQ/WISC/WPPSI/whathaveyou trumps everything else, it is still just 'one aspect' of many.[/quote]

She told the poster not to have her child retake any of the tests, so it doesn't sound like she's saying where or who administered the test is not considered credible.  She said to just adjust the commentary.  I think this poster or OP should get the press involved so they can do some investigative research into how the process works.  Are certain groups being stereotyped and therefore there is defacto discrimination?  My DC was at a title 1 school, and I know of multiple Caucasian kids who had scores in the low 120s but were all given a high GBRS.  They all were admitted first round and moved to the center.  I think the teachers may have thought they were saving these kids from having to stay at an underperforming school.  I can't imagine all these kids with 120s scores somehow displayed gifted behavior to get the high GBRS they got.  And the moms are very open about discussing scores.  One told me that she told the AART that she prepped her son and the AART said it isn't possible to bump scores up significantly by prepping.  I just think there is too much inconsistency in the process.  There is no recourse for parents in this arbitrary process.  I would like to see a FOIA disclosure listing how many kids of each ethnic group with high scores are found ineligible.  It sounds like individuals are being made to take the blame for what a group as a who is perceived to be doing.  [/quote]

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