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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][twitter][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I’m the teacher who posted a long time ago that I was against pouches because I didn’t want people coming in and telling me what to do in my room.   I don’t have issues with class behavior and don’t allow phones.

I’ve been on vacation for nearly two weeks and I’m surprised to see how petty and nasty this has become.  Well, not really, but it’s disappointing.  Take my advice and stop arguing.  None of you will have any say or control over what happens in the classroom.  The teachers don’t have control over what happens in our own classes.  So you can stop your bickering about this.  It’s out of our control.  [/quote]

Do public high schools changed teachers really have that much autonomy like a college professor on curriculum and class logistics?

What happens if you just not use the pouches — monitor like you did before but not insist they put them back in their pouches?  I’m honestly having a hard time seeing how this impacts how you run your class unless you have frequent students using a phone disruptive and having to go thru pouch locking process — but you say you have the kids and phones under control, so that won’t happen?

Can you walk me through a scenario where the existence of the pouches affects your classroom?[/quote]

Do you not understand how pouches work? Students are made to lock their phones in pouches when they walk into the school. They have staff there checking to make sure this happens. My kid had to stand in line and was late to class more than once because of this. Which is ironic because the pouches forced her to lose instructional time. And no don't try to tell me it was her fault for getting to school late. She rides the bus. So much lost staff time too. I'd like the staff focused on things other than dumb bags for phones. [/quote]

That doesn’t answer my question.

They can simply pad homeroom time to make the morning smoother.

Right now instead a teacher is interrupted several times EVERY period to deal with the phone distractions.  This consolidates and reduces the interactions with phones to one instance a day[/quote]

Stop.  I already told you not all of us want this.  I feel disrespected that you feel you know best how I should run my class when you have never set foot in it.  I do not want pouches.

To the other poster, no, we will not be given the choice to not use them and not allow cells by a method of our choice. That is being taken away.  We can be reprimanded if we do not do what is expected.  -another teacher [/quote]

So you can’t give any example how this affects your classroom?   The phones are put away in the first period, I fail to see how it affects your classroom at all.

I like how you play the card like I’m disrespecting you by asking a question about the details. [/quote]

JuSt AsKiNg qUeStiOnS.

Teachers, don’t waste your time explaining your classroom management techniques to dickhead parents with an agenda. 
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So much for supporting teachers. [/quote]

I fully support teachers who want to ignore the irrational RWNJs. 
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Again, the pouches are NOT a political issue.  Gavin Newsom supports phones away all day.  Many European countries which lean much more liberal than the democratic party also support phone bans.  They understand how corrosive and distracting they can be in a the educational environment.  Framing it as a RWNJ issue is disingenuous.

I personally don't like the pouches; I would rather have phone lockers as many private schools have implemented.

But even with the pouches, I fail to see how their existence impacts teachers, other than the first period teachers who may have to help students through the process of locking up their phones?  During the class day, there is no need to interact with a phone or a pouch, so their existence in a students bag does not affect your class in any way.  If a kid has a phone out in class, you are supposed to handle it anyways, with or without the pouch -- is your philosophy to just ignore phone use?

The advantage of the pouch system is that it makes it a stricter policy of no phones -- rather than the lame "I just had my phone out to put in on silent" or whatever cover story a student comes up with, simply having the phone in sight is clear they are skirting the rules.  It sets expectations, and makes it easier for children to focus on school rather than be drawn into the latest TikTok trend on their phone.

I work with the SB advisory committee on phone policy, so I would be interested to see how it is impacting classrooms negatively to have the pouches, perhaps there is an avenue we have not considered?  one example would be if students forget to silence their phones, and the disruption to a phone that is ringing within a pouch takes more time to remedy (which is why I voted for phone lockers).[/quote]

Things that are RWNJ: 
-Forcing things on others against their will
-Thinking you know more about a subject than experts even though you are ignorant AF
-Disrespecting teachers 
-Lobbying organizations that pretend to be parenting groups

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Please link to the experts advocating for feee phone use in schools.

Disrespecting teachers is such a strawman — many teachers support the tools to keep phones out of the classroom. No one is disrespected by simply asking for explanation of how it is affecting their classroom for the phones to be in pouches. And I’m still waiting for one example, perhaps unsurprisingly. [/quote]

Literally no one is advocating for “free phone use”. Speaking of strawman.

We have seen how APE has treated teachers for years. You think you know how to run the classroom better than teachers even though you are clueless AF.

Give them the tools if they want to use them. But FFS don’t force this on them. Let them decide how to manage their own classroom.

Stay in your lane. [/quote]

So there are no experts that contradict the recommendation for no phones in schools?  Gotcha. [/quote]

Where are your evidence based studies that support forcing high school seniors to use phone diapers? I'll wait. [/quote]

I posted the UNESCO study up thread. And you can call JH a hack, but he is a recognized expert on the topics. You can’t even name one.  [/quote]

recognized expert? oh you're too funny.

Where does the UNESCO study support pouches? Again, no one is saying to just allow phones unrestricted in classes. No one. This is about your obsession with making schools spend our money to force adults to lock their phones in diaper bags. [/quote]

Are you a a child? Diapers?

Anyways I would prefer phone lockers but take what we can get. [/quote]

I asked you where the report supports pouches. You didn't answer and called me a child instead. Very telling. [/quote]

You didn’t ask about pouches. You said diapers. [/quote]

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