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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]why dont we work on preventing pregnancies instead of focusing on abortion? Everyone should be given birth control for free.[/quote]
Republicans don’t like that either.[/quote]

This. Republicans don't want any women to be fully in charge of their bodies. [/quote]Why's that? The ultimate real reason please.[/quote]

Misogyny.[/quote]Come on, you don't believe that do you?[/quote]
You have a better reason? Please share. 
But I’ll tell ya this, if you have spent any time at all on Twitter, you know the answer is misogyny. 
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DP. I think it's more complex than just misogyny. It's about maintaining the patriarchy and re-establishing men (white men more specifically) as the "natural" leaders in business, government, academia. And I don't think all men are conscious of this/are pro-actively working in favor of it. But that doesn't mean it's not there.

One thing you don't really hear discussed is the effect of the birth control pill on women's lives and that prior to that time "barefoot and pregnant" was a joke, but it wasn't entirely a joke. We don't talk about the fact that sexual dynamics, even within marriage, were skewed towards men's rights over women. If you can't control your fertility, and you can't entirely control when you have sex/can have it forced on you and then society mandates that you take care of the resulting child, then you were really trapped. Don't forget that 50 years ago women could not routinely have their own bank accounts, couldn't get credit, etc. either. If you want a time capsule of what the pill meant to women, and thus what it would mean to men to take it away, take a listen:

[youtube]https://youtu.be/5DcdONaKSQM?feature=shared[/youtube][/quote]
Again, you’re just describing the many layers of misogyny.[/quote]

Wow. You've really added a lot to the discussion here. Thanks.

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Hey you’re welcome.

I guess I just don’t see the point in a long, accurate description of the exact flavors of misogyny that lead people to support forced birther policies and then claim it’s not misogyny. The flavor you describe is entirely about keeping women subservient to men and it’s because they literally do not think women are worth an equal amount of respect and rights.

Not sure how I should engage with it. You described misogyny.[/quote]

No. It is absolutely necessary to describe misogyny in all its flavors and just how deep down horrifying it is. It’s more than “men hate women.” [b]I’m sure all those men screaming vitriol to women with doomed pregnancies outside abortion clinics claim they LOVE women and just want to protect them from making decisions they might regret.[/b] They are still misogynistic a-holes for assuming women can’t make decisions and need their protection. [/quote]
Do they even claim that? All I ever hear is that they want to protect the unborn — even at the expense of living, sentient women.[/quote]

Well, they used to, in that “If you die in childbirth, Jesus will welcome you and your baby home, so at least you don’t have to live in sin and regret little lady” kind of way. I think they’ve caught on that paternalism doesn’t play well, even when delivered by a smiling white guy, and have gone straight to the “stone the Jezebel” mentality that was there all along. [/quote]

That’s what it is really all about. Punishing women. Look at them protecting IVF - it’s not really about embryos. They truly just want to punish “bad” women who don’t follow their rules. [/quote]

What the heck is this IVF nonsense.  Now they are going to get in our uterus and lay out detailed instructions of exactly what is and is not allowed?   This embryo is a person where an abortion or a miscarriage or a fetal abnormality, etc.  is concerned.  But this embryo is not a person where IVF is concerned.

Why are you people ok with that level of uninformed interference in the most private, intimate, important areas of your life.  [/quote]

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