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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If he was upset about his mother’s treatment, why did he cut off contact leaving her to file a missing person report?[/quote]

People are asking all these questions like he’s a sane rational actor.  He is not.  It is very sad.  Everyone is talking about it because it happened to be UHC that his paranoia focused on.  It could have been someone at his surf coop, or the head of his former employer, or a piliitican.  But it obviously says something about where Americans are with healthcare that they are building this Robin Hood narrative around him.[/quote]

Agree. 
The biases are rampant.

#1 thing when dealing with a mentally ill person is not to assume normal, rationale motives. Or sometimes any motive.

Wait for the “voices told me to do it” defense. [/quote]

Since when did murder = mental illness? Humans have been killing each other without being mentally-ill since Cain killed Able. If you're Christian, then you believe that in God's eye, there is no valid reason for murder. But that doesn't mean that people can't have internally rational motives for murder. Luigi's reasons are internally consistent: mental illness is not needed to explain them. [/quote]

Luigi had no authority to be judge and executioner.[/quote]

But the insurance companies do?[/quote]

Health care isn’t a right. It’s cost money and is an expense. Insurance is a means to pay. But they don’t cover anything and everything on everyone.  If there is treatment or med you think you need and they won’t pay, you are welcome to find another means to pay for it.  [/quote]

I mean, it can be a right if we as a nation decide it is. That's how rights work.

No, insurance policies don't cover everything. 
And also many insurers renege on covering what they claim to cover. 
Both of these things can be true at the same time. Do you actually not understand this?

But keep telling yourself how insurance companies are the good guys, and only demanding, unreasonable, stupid patients get their claims denied. Maybe that will work out for you. [/quote]

You and many others really don’t get how complex the health system works. Someone told you no and you decided it was their fault.

This economist explains it better than I can.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-main[/quote]
Thank you PP, that was an interesting read. As new drugs are developed for diseases that are not common yet cause significant disease burden or death (i.e. spinal muscular atrophy, sickle cell disease, etc.) that literally cost millions per DOSE, it will be interesting to see how that plays out.  [/quote]

Right but everyone is blaming the insurers instead of the biotech and pharma companies for the inflated prices. Apparently the insurers should just pay them whatever they ask.

Also don’t work in insurance, HR actually. [/quote]

DP. It’s not either/or. My kid is a type 1 diabetic, so I have plenty of anger for the companies that are engaged in patent abuse and price gauging of a medicine that is inexpensive to produce, available without a prescription in many countries and affordable in nearly all, and yet in the US is so expensive that one in four type 1s — who would literally die without it within weeks — routinely go without, or with far less than they need

Here’s the thing: all of these issues (UHC, pharma, PE-owned health care facilities) are the same issue. They’re all caused by the same underlying rot. In every case, we have turned healthcare into a commodity whose shares can be bought and sold, and we have prioritized investor growth over patient care. Sometimes those investors are ordinary shareholders, sometimes they are the most ruthless ghouls of private equity. Regardless, enriching those individuals is now what our health system, above all, is for.

To some extent, system can co-exist with patient care — things like wellness visits and vaccinations are factored into the business model. But when push comes to shove (as it inevitably does in health care), we value the portfolio over the patient —  over your kid, and over mine.

It’s the same problem almost everywhere. They’re not distinct problems with different causal agents — insurance vs. pharma vs. providers. It’s one big very broken system. [/quote]

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