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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]God gave humans 'good dreams'

" I call good dreams: I mean those queer stories scattered all through the heathen religions ..." See more here: http://home.earthlink.net/~mysticalrose/pagan4.html

About why I believe in God? Because I believe - in the bones of my bones- in absolute Good and Evil (not socially constructed) and without a God is hard (impossible) to justify that.

Why Christianity? Because [b]it is the only religion I know of that at least claims that God came down to suffer with us.[/b]

About evil& suffering-the only really big argument agaist God IMO- if God is big enough to be mad at ( for not stopping evil), he is also big enough to have some reason for it. It helps that, as stated above, according to Christianity, He came down to take a share of it, so it's not like he was all talk.[/quote]

And if we don't appreciate it, he sends us to burn in hell for ETERNITY[/quote]

I subscribe to the idea that we are all going to be with God, if we want to. Some will prefer Hell to God. Read 'The Great Divorce' to see what I mean.

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Oh right -- we should read a whole book to understand your great wisdom[/quote]

It's very very short book! And yes, it is fiction- so what? (for the other poster who complains about that). There is truth in fiction books.

Also, I told you in brief what I mean: most theologians dont have a fire and brimstone view of hell. It is most like a choice that turns into an addition: God is like getting clean to an alcoholic, first you dont want to, then you cant. In this view, God just lets you go to hell bc thats where you want to be.

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It doesn't really matter what theologians and novelists think about hell if there's no reason to believe in such a terrible place 
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That was in reply to a poster whi complained about the Christian God sending people to hell. It mattered enough to that poster, since he/she made an issue of it. If you don't care for it, no problem at all.[/quote]

That was me. The statement stands. It wasn't a complaint about the Christian God, it was a statement.  The punishment for not accepting Christ as your savior is hell - which is very well known in Christianity and the reason why missionaries try to spread the Word -- to give people the opportunity to accept Jesus as their savior, so they can avoid hell.[/quote]

Statemement stand, sort of. One, you need to define hell. I gave you "my" definition which is fairly mainstream - hell is separation from God. Two, hell is not punishment for not accepting Jesus. Hell us default state : accirding to Christian theology, we are all drowning  and God is offering a floating device. Your choice to take it or leave it. 
They might be all fables all right, but at least get your fables right if you care to discuss them at all.
 
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Wait, why should she define "hell?" That's so relative, what would be the point. I for one would believe in god(s) before I believed in hell. I can say with 100% confidence that there is no Christian hell. About gods, I am agnostic because if you define god as conscious energy I might be able to squint and visualize that. But no hell. And no divine intervention either.

Reading people's NDEs make me even more certain that there is no hell.[/quote]

I agree with the believe in God before Hell. In fact, I'd go as far as saying that there is no need to believe in afterlife of any sort in order to believe in God. Ancient Israelites did not have an idea of afterlife, yet they believed in God. It is more genuine faith if you don't expect anything in return.

However, I asked for a definition of hell from that poster because if you are going to dismiss Christianity based on the 'problem of hell', then you might want to define hell beyond the cartonish/allegorical 'fire and brimstone' . After all, why would God force you to be with him if you don't want to? I really think some people would refuse heaven if asked. In fact, you can kind of see it happen here and now. Don't you ever wonder at people who seem to make themselves miserable but seem to like that?[/quote]

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