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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]NP here. I do have to ask why you would want to be so determined to believe that Jesus never existed as a real person in some form? Which is completely separate from anything religious. I am not a person of faith but I have some knowledge of the classical world. We know Pontus Pilate was real, inscriptions have been found with his name on it. The earliest documented writers are within a few decades of Jesus's death. The Roman historians never rejected the existence of Jesus and they were much closer to the times. The Romans kept meticulous records, and while much has been lost, the historians of the centuries after Jesus did have access to records.

If a group of men got together and said let's invent a fake messiah, pretend he was crucified (a very dramatic event reserved for the most hardcore criminals) and hoodwink people, you'd have to ask yourself what for? The early Christians completely shunned wealth, so it wasn't for personal gain. And they put themselves at risk of prosecution by an intolerant Roman state who didn't like people challenging Roman hegemony and rejecting official state cults and gods. And the Roman historians never casted doubt on that there was a real person even when they saw Christianity as nothing more than a pesky weird cult. If Jesus had really been made up, the historians would have seen right through it.

The better question to ask is why you think there was no such person as well as the motivation for inventing him and the ability to get so many people to believe in a fake man so soon after he theoretically died when there were no shortage of other real cults and preachers. [/quote]

Have you actually read through the posts?  Most of your questions were already answered.
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I've skimmed through the posts to know there is someone very determined to believe what he/she wants to believe [b]despite the significant circumstantial and anecdotal evidence[/b] that there was a real person. The only credible question to be asking is how much that person was changed and evolved by others in his memory and name. There is, ironically, a zealous belief being shown here to disregard everything suggesting there really was a person in some form and capacity. [/quote]

Citation from independent/non-Christian sources?

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Quite a few historians were named early in this thread, both secular, non Christian, Jewish, ancient Roman and modern. We do have the archeological record to assist, proving the existence by name of Pontus Pilate. I guess those aren't good enough for you? I suspect nothing will ever be good enough for you. I can see why someone else said this thread is getting repetitive because it's arguing with someone for who nothing is ever good enough. I can see why this is just like arguing with a different kind of believer, who thinks the earth is really flat because it looks flat, and God created the world 5,000 years ago and put in those dinosaur fossils to fool people. [/quote]

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