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THIS. If you don’t acknowledge this, you can’t begin to help solve the problem. We’re mad at the people above us, so we’re punching down. Nobody would ever say “mediocre _____ women”. I can’t even type it on an anonymous forum. But we’re allowed to say “mediocre whites men”. People have said it to me in real life. It absolutely drives teen boys to wherever they can find acceptance. DH and I are basically keeping our boys off the Internet forever. [/quote]

You really think that women haven't been getting the message that they're mediocre throughout history? Every woman I know has countless stories of being discounted, discredited, and undervalued growing up. What a poor excuse for poor behavior.[/quote]

So is it always wrong or just sometimes wrong to do that to people?[/quote]

Of course it's wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. Women have been denigrated throughout history and are prevailing in spite of that. Men are getting their feelings hurt and are crumbling and blaming women for their discomfort. If you can't see the difference, I'm not sure that there's any helping you.[/quote]

Women have been blaming men all along. Same, same. Two wrong don't make a right, there is no "but".[/quote]

Blame is nowhere in the same stratosphere as limiting women's freedom, autonomy, and choices in life. You know this. [/quote]

When you say it's just men getting their "feelings" hurt you are intentionally downplaying is mischaracterizing the real world situation as if it's just a silly thing. But, you know this.[/quote]

Oh ok, so describe it better for me. Because it sounds like our children (regardless of sex) are ALL facing a changing world that in many ways will be far more challenging to navigate. And instead of focusing on why that is and how we might help our kids, you want us to focus on fixing this only for boys because women are somehow to blame (as usual...). When women are offered limited opportunities, we shrug or talk about inherent biological differences, or how emotional women are. When men face those same challenges, we have multiple think pieces about how women suck.[/quote]

What kind of message do you think young boys are getting when they see all the empowerment for girls, girl clubs, etc etc? The girls are doing alright, as you said. or even "prevailing" as mentioned upthread. If we can't say the same for boys what are we doing about it? Young boys haven't held any women back or limited their freedom or any of the historical injustices mentioned yet they are paying the price.[/quote]

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There are a ton of males focused clubs and gatherings.[/quote]

+1, if your boys aren't finding male-focused spaces, its from a severe lack of trying. I would examine what you as a parent are doing about that rather than blaming 50% of society at large. And while empowerment for girl and girls clubs are encouraging, they do not in any way make up for the rampant misogyny that our girls still face to this day. The party in power has made it no secret that they'd like women's rights to be severely curtailed and you're seriously whining about some girl's clubs. It's just so tone-deaf.[/quote]

Really? The boys can't even have scouting to themselves anymore. [/quote]

And girls on the run have boys.

We should have clubs that welcome all. [/quote]

So where are these male focused spaces? Your boys have found them right? The PP above says you just have to look for them. [/quote]

So you're ignoring basically every sports organization out there?[/quote]

Sports, boys choir, fishing, boating, e gaming (now a club in college) on and on [/quote]

What if the boys aren't into sports?[/quote]

Then there are spaces that girls are still excluded through bullying/relational aggression: robotics clubs, most gyms, garages and automotive clubs. I mean seriously, just come out from under your rock and take a look around.[/quote]

You haven't been to a gym in a while. [/quote]

Actually I go to a woman-founded heavy lifting gym so that I can work out with like-minded women and men, instead of being stared at or excluded from the weights/machines I want to use. So yeah, really familiar with gyms lately.

Also there's this:
https://www.fordharrison.com/womens-only-gym-section-faces-discrimination-lawsuit

And multiple other cases where men get riled up about women's only self defense classes even though they themselves don't want to attend - they just don't want women to have that option.[/quote]

I just go to boring old PlanetFitness. I don't see any of this bullying or male exclusion you speak of.[/quote]

You don’t have to see or experience everything to know that it exists.[/quote]

Are you one of those women wearing scrunch butt leggings, a bra, and a full face of makeup at the gym and then acting outraged any time someone looks in your direction because “I’m just here to wOrK oUt!!!”[/quote]

Are you one of those men that asks “but what was she wearing” after she reports sexual assault? [/quote]

So you’re saying that yes, you are an gym-going attention whore who pretends she doesn’t want attention.  Thanks.[/quote]

That was a different poster than me, the one that described my experience at various gyms. I dress to lift heavy and no, I don’t wear makeup to the gym. I also don’t call other people whores for making different choices. Importantly, your insults are a perfect illustration of why women only spaces are helpful and how mainstream gyms exclude women. Hint: you are the problem here. [/quote]

“Attention whore” is an entirely different pejorative than “whore” you doofus.

But women only gyms aren’t the answer.  I’m a woman and I don’t want to see you ass crack either.[/quote]

If you were minding your own business, this wouldnt bother you. [/quote]

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