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[quote=Anonymous]Strikes me that Carter, Clinton, and Obama were not really establishment Dems or in the national eye forever before they decided to run. Republicans have never, at least in my lifetime (I was born during Eisenhower) run a dark horse candidate. You might say that about Trump but this had been his goal and Roger Stone's) many years before he was an actual candidate. Truman was also a dark horse. LBJ was a unique case, since he had so many years in Congress, but Kennedy was beating him and then, of course, assassinated. Someone who has deep knowledge of politics might contest me on this, but maybe the answer is not the people in the headlines right now or who were also proposed in 2024 before Harris was anointed. [/quote]
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