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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You can't sell online ads or magazines if the rankings don't have some movement. It is helpful to look at the rankings data over time to get a sense of school tiers: https://andyreiter.com/datasets/

Colby hasn't historically been regularly ranked in the top 15. They've often been in the high teens and 20s so that drop isn't huge.

Shocker: Columbia's real stats don't equate to being regularly ranked with Stanford, Harvard, and Yale![/quote]

This was always clear to students, which is why Columbia was never able to attract HYPSM cross admits. [/quote]

USNWR is influential, unfortunately, but there are limits.  Princeton has been #1 for the past umpteen years, but it isn't winning cross-admit battles with Harvard, Stanford, and MIT.[/quote]

Unless you want to be a D3 athlete, I don't see MIT winning too many cross-admit battles with those schools either. With MIT's limited excellence in eng, CS, and econ, their ranking always feels a little inflated. [/quote]

Stanford would probably be better than MIT in all of those top areas too and is also great in just about every other discipline. [/quote]

Not better in engineering and technology.  Close, but not better.

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Stanford would likely get the nod in CS and MIT in the other engineering disciplines. Even if it is just close in MIT's very strongest areas, I can see the point about Stanford pretty clearly being the better overall school. Most people who get into the two "Boston area" schools don't choose MIT either. With Harvard, I would give MIT the clear advantage in CS and engineering though. [/quote]

For those who care about pure prestige and impressive name recognition (a lot of US News readers), Harvard and Yale can't be matched outside of Oxbridge, though Stanford and Princeton are getting there. Mass Tech and those perceived public universities in Chicago and Pennsylvania (Univ of __) aren't :-).   [/quote]

Stanford’s prestige is the same as Harvard’s—maybe greater.. [b]Oxbridge is not at Harvard or Stanford’s level; it’s more like Columbia or UCLA. [[/b]/quote]

HAHAHA!  Do you have any idea what it takes to get into Oxford?  Do you know about the testing and the critical interviews?  I do because DS went through it.[/quote]

I know students at both Oxford and Cambridge, fed from DC's international school in London, they actually spent a lot of time at our house so I know them fairly well. While they were smart, they are not in the top 1-2%, AT ALL, nowhere near HYPSM level. They MIGHT have gotten into UCLA or Columbia levels, MIGHT. I agree with the previous poster that Oxbridge is like UCLA, maybe Emory. I also know a bunch of kids at LSE and despite the name recognition, I would tell you the caliber of the kids is the same. Nowhere near our tippy top
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Spending time with a handful of kids and making broad generalizations about them and the schools isn't helpful.

In terms of international name recognition and prestige, Oxford and Cambridge would also be well above the schools you've listed. Ask people familiar with those schools abroad what MIT even stands for. Princeton, which the US News methodology loves, isn't there either.

From a US prestige perspective in higher ed, it doesn't get better than the Rhodes or Gates scholarships at Oxford and Cambridge. [/quote]

+1.  Also the PP claims these unimpressive kids came from “DC’s International School in London” which doesn’t exist. If they meant “DCS International School” that is in Jaipur, India, so most of those  Oxbridge headed students would be speaking English as a second language and the girls are socially pressured not to talk or give opinions as strongly as American women do - hence perhaps the PP thought that these students weren’t that impressive from which he then somehow interpolates that ALL students at Oxbridge are unimpressive ergo Oxbridge is equivalent to a second tier school in the US.  Whatever.  FWIW I went to Harvard undergrad and Harvard Law and one of my children is at Oxford now.  I was fortunate to meet some of the most brilliant people I’ve ever known at Harvard and while visiting DC at Oxford[/quote]

For almost all subjects, Oxbridge is a comparatively very easy admit compared to at least a dozen American schools — maybe two dozen. There’s no way around that: a typical high stats Brit (top 20% A-Levels) has a 20-40% chance of an Oxford or Cambridge admit. (Interviews are really not so grueling in many subjects, where 1/2 the kids get interviewed and at least 1/2 of those interviewed are admitted. This info is freely available on their websites.)

In contrast, American high-stats kids have nowhere near the same chance of getting into a top American school, even if all are applied for (yes, I am taking into account that you can apply to only one Oxbridge school for undergrad — grad admissions at Oxbridge are even easier). Stated differently, if a non-hooked, high stats American with clearly-defined academic interests was admitted to Emory, he or she could probably have gotten into Oxbridge.

Emory is no slouch, so congrats are in order. But that does not mean that people who went to Harvard should pretend their kid at Oxford is attending an equivalent school. [/quote]

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