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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What I don't understand is why people would want a society where mothers are forced to raise children they don't want. Like, that outcome is not good for the children and in turn, society. More poverty, more abuse, more crime, etc. It affects everyone eventually.

And don't give me the whole give them up for adoption excuse. We all know that a fraction of those children actually get adopted, and our foster system is a nightmare. Again, poverty, abuse, crime, etc.

It isn't the child's fault- they didn't choose to be born into such circumstances and they are the ones punished.[/quote]

Should we issue licenses on who can have babies?[/quote]

Again, to your statement "[i]What I don't understand is why people would want a society where mothers are forced to raise children they don't want ... And don't give me the whole give them up for adoption excuse[/i] ".  If you feel this way, then why not allow infanticide by the parents?  Why is killing a new born so horrific and taboo, while killing a fetus is to be protected? Or - are you willing to concede to the "life starts at" argument, with a particular, scientifically established # of weeks as that point in time? Anytime before, not an issue and anytime after this ... murder (or under your proposal, the parents' choice inclduing and up to "X" number of days, weeks, months, or year POST-birth. I mean, if the baby is not wanted by its parents (or specifically by its mama) then by all means, let's kill the darn thing.[/quote]

Thousands of IVF embryos are destroyed each year.  So do you think that's murder or not?

Because how is it different from infanticide?[/quote]

You’ve avoided my question by asking one of your own. To me human life starts at 24 weeks after conception. Prior to that do what you want to your body.  After that, treat that life the same as a newborn. When do YOU think human life starts? Just answer my question please. [/quote]

I don't know.  That's my answer.   It's a complicated question.  As you know, scientists, scholars, priests and politicians can't decide, and neither can I.

You're preaching to the choir here since I am still raising my child from an unwanted, medically risky pregnancy.

But the question of when we consider a fetus a person is not my point.  My point is the inconsistency with which pro lifers treat embryos based on whether they are in a test tube or a woman.  Which is very telling to me.  Almost as if this isn't just about baby life.  But something more complicated.

I am personally pro life and pro baby and pro embryo.  I don't want male politicians deciding that for me or any woman or taking out bounties on women who have abortions, restricting interstate travel, or interfering in patient doctor situations.  That is all.  The philosophical question of when fetal "life" begins is secondary to all of that, to me.[/quote]

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