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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You are trying to find patterns. There are no patterns.[/quote]

The only pattern would be that they flipped the results  :lol: [/quote]

Seriously, give it a rest.    A SMALL subsection (about 40 out of hundreds posted their score)  of the AAP population posts in this board.  And to extrapolate that the scores were flipped is crazy.   Of course, people who got in that did not except to would post. And, those that with high scores that did not get in would post.    But I am sure there are many, many,  more people out there that got the results they were expected and do not feel the need to post their scores.   [/quote]

+1[/quote]

Let's assume the pp is correct and only a small subsection of the scores had results similar to those posted here.  Even if that's the case, don't you think this albeit small sampling (assuming the posts are truthful) shows a need for more transparency in the process.  Some of the scores were incredibly low.  If your child legitimately had high scores with no prepping and was rejected, while the low scores listed here were found eligible, are you saying you would not want more transparency as to why this happened?  Maybe the letters weren't flipped, but the process needs more transparency.  Alternatively, maybe there needs to be two ways to get in: 1. scores and 2. scores plus teacher recommendations.  If FCPS is going to say scores are indicative of eligibility, a teacher shouldn't be able to override that, nor should an assumption of prepping if the GBRS commentary doesn't match the test scores.  Having an objective admissions standard for automatically admitting students, and also allowing other student to get in based on a combination of scores and GBRS seems like a better process.  I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the concerns expressed her merely because they only account for a minority of applicants.  You also have no clue whether this extrapolates into the general pool.[/quote]

I never said there shouldn't be transparency.   I just said don't rush to the judgement that a mistake was made based on the small sampling represented here.

I think FCPS is doing the best it can. No, I don't work for FCPS.    I think FCPS recognizes that test scores, alone, are not enough.  Its no different than applying for college.   Colleges look at much more than a high SAT/ACT score.  They look at the whole package - recommendations, extracurricular activities, grades, etc.  Scoring a perfect on the SAT is not going to get you into Harvard.  So, why should a high CoGat score automatically qualify you for AAP?

At the end of the day, its AAP.  It is not going to make or break your child and their college path.

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Scoring a perfect score on the SAT  isn't going to get you into Harvard, but you also get the opportunity to pick the teachers who most likely support you to write your letters of recommendation.  [b]Not the case in the AAP application process[/b].  The GBRS is super subjective and you don't get to pick who fills that out.  But, more importantly, these are second graders we're talking about and, unlike Harvard, there is supposedly no limit on the number of kids admitted each year.  I'm not saying this because my kid didn't get good GBRS commentary.  My kid had great commentary and was found eligible.  If the first grade teacher (who was no longer at the school) had input, I am willing to bet the commentary would have been way less glowing.  If you have kids in AAP as currently structured you should know that any kid who has high scores and all As can definitely handle the curriculum.  [/quote]

I disagree.  That is what the parent referral is for.  You can provide your own recommendations, work samples, etc. to supplement what the school supplies.   I know we were repeatedly told by our AART to do the parent referral and submit work samples.

And, yes, I do have a child in the program.  You are right, they should do well and handle the work load.  However, you will be surprised the number that are struggling because of time management issues, less than stellar instruction, etc.   [/quote]

Disagree all you want, but parent referral means very little relative to the FCPS GBRS.  And the packet specifically says other FCPS teachers can't write letters of recommendation.  Also, it's likely that [b]the many kids struggling with time management issues are the low scoring kids shoehorned in with good GBRS[/b], rather than the high scoring kids who were found ineligible.[/quote]

As a parent of three kids who have all been in centers (one currently), with composite COGATs in the 135-145 range, looking over all their friends the kids that struggle academically most are the super-smart math kids who are uninterested or less capable in reading/writing (including my own highest scoring kid whose verbal cogat was 140 and who had a 38 DRA in 2nd grade). It's just that when the shift to reading/writing for higher level functions happened around the 4th grade he just didn't move along with it. This has been similar for the handful of kids I have known who struggled in the center AAP despite high scores.   The reading and writing and interpretive demands of AAP seem to be considerably higher and it's the lack of interest in independent reading and writing and some deficits in interpretation perhaps that pulls these kids further behind when they are grouped with a peer group that loves to read/write.  Since all the subjects (language arts, social studies, science) except math are dependent on in-depth reading/writing this is what really makes AAP hard.  In retrospect, I think he would have been better served by gen ed plus highly accelerated math even though he was 99thile for both Verbal and Quant so he could gain confidence in his reading/writing skills and really push forward in his love of math.  My more "balanced" kids in practice had lower verbal scores than him but far higher achievement in the actual processes of writing and analysis of reading materials.[/quote]

+1 I have 3 kids in AAP and the one who scored a 150 struggles the most because he has ADHD and reading/writing is a challenge to him (very common in ADHD kids). My other 2 are more even and although scored lower than their brother, breeze through AAP and are actually quite bored. [/quote]

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