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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s just a political lie that Israel has to tell its public “We are fighting to get the hostages back”

“the Israeli government is dedicating to ending Hamas”

No they aren’t. Israel is lying to their public just like the US lied to ours about Iraq.

Why would they want Hamas gone at all?! They shut US suggestions down about Egypt or the Palestinian Authority taking over administering Gaza.

The point for Israel is to ethnically cleanse  Gazans like some biblical genocides completely and for Israel to take it back [/quote]
Then what?
Gaza is unlivable, no water, unexploded shells in the ruins, rotting corpses 
Do Israelis have no conscience? Are there really people willing to move on top of a graveyard far away from where the jobs are just to be able to call themselves some kind of religious pioneers?[/quote]

Israel had been out of Gaza for twenty years. Until Palestinians invaded and committed all those atrocities in a single morning.

Look, Israel spent decades trying for a two state solution. And Palestinians are clearly not interested in two states. They want Hamas and an Islamic theocracy. There's not a lot of space here for some kind of peaceful, common sense negotiation.

Palestinians made their choices. And it's sad and pathetic. It's like the ISIS wives stuck in refugee camps in Syria. I don't know. Maybe don't marry the terrorists. And that's what Palestinians are - the ISIS wives. Absolutely no one wants them, so they are stuck because they made some really stupid choices. [/quote]

Blockade. Land, sea, air. No matter how many times uninformed voices like yours whisper down the lane with tired, blatantly dishonest propaganda about Israel seeking a two-state solution, the fact is that Zionists have only ever wanted ALL of the land.[/quote]

Just a heads up. Y'all need to lose the Zionist terminology. 98 percent of Americans believe Israel has a right to exist. And as for those 2 percent? It's usually Charlottesville tiki torch marchers. You should all wear a hood or something so you can find each other. Or maybe a special arm band.   [/quote]

Oh, c’mon now - nobody believes that THAT is what Zionism ideology is actually about. It’s actually about shoving the myth of Jewish supremacy down the throat of everyone in its path (“But we’re the chosen people!”), it’s about relentlessly provoking conflict with Israel’s neighbors for the purpose of expanding the dimensions of the state, and it’s especially about exploiting useful idiots like you to slander anyone who dares to call it like it is.

There ain’t nobody on this planet better suited to wear a white hooded robe than modern day Zionists. Acts of blatant, violent racism and brutal subjugation of others “beneath” them might as well be scenes portrayed on the shekel. As for the tiki torches - ah, makes sense - is that part of the light into nations nonsense we keep hearing about?[/quote]
Actually, Zionists believe Israel has a right to exist. That's Zionism.[/quote]

If you actually believe that, I’m frightened to ask you to provide a definition of what the word “exist” means to you.[/quote]
Exist. Be recognized as a legitimate sovereign state. Beyond that, they have to navigate complex international relations like every other state. Existence means not entertaining wiping Israel from the map or claiming it's an illegitimate occupier.

Existence doesn't define its borders. Personally, I think they need to remove settlements from the West Bank and I'm in favor of a two state solution. Existence isn't about superiority. The "chosen-ness" of the Jewish people is about a particular relationship with God, not one that is necessarily better, just one that is ours.

Anyway, I'm not sure what you expected "existence" to mean?[/quote]

When pushed to make a sober statement, the one you provided is 100% welcome by me and the kind of sentiment that I could wholeheartedly support.

But to expose the rot, can you tell us how that statement reflects the views of Netanyahu and even the voters whose votes resulted in this Likud-led government? I mean, surely you don't expect anyone to believe that your views - top to bottom - reflect his, right?[/quote]
I don't like Bibi (I did 15 years ago, but not now). There were multiple attempts at elections that failed to achieve an actual government in Israel before Bibi ended up back in power, and there have been regular protests against him since his election. I see all that and think that, while it's awful that he ended up in power again and has the power to shape Israeli policy, it's hardly because Israelis really wanted him to lead again. Some do, yes, but he's not super popular, even during wartime when nationalism would usually give leaders a boost.[/quote]

OK, well, I can’t take issue with anything you’ve said in these last two posts. On the flip side, I hope you recognize that not every individual critical of Israel’s policies and actions blames every Israeli, much less every Jewish person, for the Israeli government’s bad deeds.[/quote]
I'm not one of those people who thinks that all criticism of Israel is automatically antisemitism, though I do think it often blurs very quickly/easily in that direction. There is plenty to debate about Israeli politics/policy. The difference, as I see it, is whether or not that debate/critique comes from a place of recognizing the legitimacy of Israel in the first place. When "Zionist" is used as a slur, it's hard for me to see the person as coming to the conversation openly.[/quote]

Don't you dare allow the word "Zionist" to be turned into a slur. It's a definition of a group of people. It's no more a slur than democrat or republican...[/quote]

DP Speak for yourself. There are few badges of dishonor throughout history, maybe just a handful, that carry a darker stain. It's worse than the generic terrorist label, when you consider it currently commits terrorist acts on almost unimaginably beleaguered human beings that it has been terrorizing for decades. There's a uniquely devious ethos there.[/quote]

OP. Agreed, but my argument is that once it becomes a slur, it becomes a forbidden word. Forbidden words are designed to stop conversation. [/quote]

Thank you for the clarification, completely agreed.[/quote]

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