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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]You can only speak for yourself, or someone specific whose actions were demonstrable.  You can't speak for me or "we", you don't know how I felt about Iraq then or now.  Putin has murdered pregnant women and children who presented no threat to him.  Maybe you don't think that's evil, but I sure as hell do.  Also, Putin didn't seem to think absorbing Crimea was a headache, so your theory is really flimsy.[/quote]

So I take it that you think no children and pregnant women were killed by US airstrikes in Iraq?

The 30,000 bombs we dropped during the air campaign didn't hit any civilians whatsoever?
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There is a lot of speculation as to why Putin invaded Ukraine. We cannot be sure of his motivation. It is either (1) he wants to expand Russian territory or (2) he is worried about potential NATO expansion into Ukraine and is unwilling to share a 1500 mile border with a NATO country.

We don't know his primary motive (and no, his believe that Ukrainians and Russians are one people isn't proof that he wants an empire), but my sense is that his motivate is (2) rather than (1) given that, for the last 15 years, he has stated that the Russian government views expanding NATO to include Ukraine as an unacceptable security risk.

In regard to Crimea -- I believe the US would have done precisely the same thing were we in danger of losing a critical military base and port. The motive was not an expansion of the Russian "empire", but rather making sure Russia has a warm-water port.

I can't read Putin's mind, nor can any of us. But it is possible that he views the invasion of Ukraine as a form of proactive defense against potential NATO expansion. Yes, an invasion is a sick, twisted form of "defense", but Putin certainly wouldn't be the first leader to apply this sort of logic.

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Why would you take it that way?  I've said nothing even remotely resembling that, and this isn't a thread about Iraq.

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How is Russia making sure it has a warm water port not an expansion of its empire?  You're really doing to logical pretzel twisting to accomodate Putin.  If Putin really wants NATO to back off, there are other things he can do beaides targeting innocent civilians, like disarming his nukes.[/quote]

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