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A fire started near a nuclear power plant means that Putin is a barbarian, while 900K Iraqi deaths mean nothing at all, in your view? 
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DP.  I don't understand your main point.  You're saying that US invading Iraq is the same as and as bad as Russia invading Ukraine.

Either you're disingenuos or you really don't know what's going on.  Russia is not invading Ukraine on any real-or-fictitious pretext.  They are trying to expand their country.  Whatever theory of "we're taking their oil", the US never intended to make Iraq the 51st state.

We don't fuss about internal disorder (China and the Ughyrs).  That won't start WWIII.  A land war of expansion in Europe?  That's a different kettle of fish.  [/quote]

Ooh child you’re saying there’s bad invasions and, like, virtuous invasions? When we invade, it ain’t all bad? [/quote]

Why are you trying to make Russia's invasion of Ukraine about us?[/quote]

Because America is the wrong country to lecture about the evils of invading other countries and changing their regimes by force.[/quote]

The condemnation of Putin has been universal except for those who are his potential allies and those who need Russia's help. No need for U.S. to sit this one out. 
If you have a thing about America because of Iraq, too bad. No one is listening to you.
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DP. A thing about America because of our totally unnecessary invasion of Iraq, in which we killed women and children. [/quote]

Yes, we did that.  To our shame.

That doesn't' mean we should not react when other countries act wrongly.  We are still the (other? only?) superpower.  And whether we want to be isolationist or should be, for decades we've played a large part in dictating what countries should or should not do, around the world.  We can't sit this one out, we aren't sitting this one out.    [/quote]

As far as Zelensky is concerned, we are.[/quote]

We trained their army and supplied/are continuing to supply their weapons.  We have heavily sanctioned Russia.  How is that sitting this one out?[/quote]

Zelensky has repeatedly asked for fighter jets and a no-fly zone. [/quote]

It is his job to defend his country and ask for as much as he could, publicly, to put pressure on US and EU politicians. It is not his job to avoid WW3. However other countries have to consider.
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The jets should already be there.  But, they aren't.  The article says the pentagon rejected the deal.  Other reports say it was Biden.
The calls for sending the planes is bipartisan.

A growing number of Republican and Democratic lawmakers are urging the Biden administration to facilitate a deal with Poland to send MiG-29 planes to Ukraine for additional air support as Russia continues its multi-front war on the country.

The Pentagon last week rejected Poland’s proposal for the U.S. and NATO to deliver MiG-29 planes to the Ukrainian military, arguing that the move could be mistaken as "escalatory" and could result in "significant Russian reaction" that could increase the prospects of a military escalation with NATO.

The letter to Biden was signed by Republicans and Democrats, including Reps. Jared Golden, D-Maine, Jason Crow, D-Colo., Don Bacon, R-Neb., Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., James Baird, R-Ind., John Katko, R-N.Y., Bill Johnson, R-N.C., Conor Lamb, D-Pa., Mariannette Miller-Meeks, R-Iowa, Victoria Spartz, R-Ind., Chris Pappas, D-N.H., Chrissy Houlahan, D-Pa., Michael Waltz, R-Fla., Jim Costa, D-Calif., and Kaiali’i Kahele, D-Hawaii.

Meanwhile, their letter to Biden comes after 58 members of the Problem Solvers Caucus — which includes both Republicans and Democrats — urged the U.S. to provide additional defense material — including MiGs — to Ukraine.

Poland surprised the U.S. last week by offering to give its entire fleet of MiG-29 fighter jets to the U.S. in exchange for a chance to buy American F-16s as part of a deal to bolster the Ukrainian air force while upgrading the Poles with NATO aircraft.

The Pentagon, the following day, pushed back on the move and said it raised concerns regarding the deployment of warplanes from a U.S. base in a NATO-allied nation to combat Russian forces.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-bipartisan-lawmakers-urge-biden-to-work-with-poland-to-provide-mig-29s-to-ukraine[/quote]
The answer to you disguising Fox new quote is that we have a competent president that is trying to avoid declaring war on Russia which would result in the destruction of most of the world's population.
That is why Kamala went to Poland, to tell them to stop their BS.[/quote]

It's not just Fox News reporting this.  
In truth, we have a cowardly president who is letting Putin set the timing and the actions in this conflict.  Weakness creates opportunity.  And, Putin has seized on that. 
Sending migs is not going to escalate a war that has already been escalated by Putin.  
And, as for Kamala..... please.  Are you her spokesperson?  There has been no reporting that this was the purpose of her disastrous trip.  [/quote]

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