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I totally support you on hard work.  I totally agree that we need to instill a sense of taking responsibility for ourselves, looking after ourselves and working hard to improve our situation in life.  That's totally on us as individuals, I totally agree.  It likewise frustrates me to see young, able-bodied individuals moping around underemployed, just looking to scam benefits and coast at the taxpayer's expense rather than working to try and get ahead.   But beyond that, you've gone deep into conservative hyperbole and you need to strike a lot of what you said because it's not entirely valid.  First, "you didn't build that" isn't at all intended to demean hard work, and you have a totally wrong spin on what's meant by that.  It's about getting people to acknowledge that you didn't build it in a vacuum.  Nobody in America made it 100% on their own.  You can't build a successful business without the infrastructure that so many conservatives want to take for granted, whether roads, bridges, internet, import/export and things that the government helps provide, or stable banks and available, low-interest loans, et cetera - also things that the government helps to ensure.  Second, we DO in fact have a serious problem of wealth inequality in America which among other things makes it harder and harder for entrepreneurs to succeed.  The mom-and-pop brick and mortar shops get killed off by the big box Walmarts.  It's hard to compete against online retailers, et cetera.  And yes, many of those who are successful did in fact either get a leg up thanks to big inheritances or a lucky break.  It's a lot harder to compete in America today than it was decades ago, yet most conservatives are older and don't realize things have changed over the past several decades.   Likewise, since the Reagan era, we have the issue of trickle-down economic policies which favors the wealthy and large corporations, which has caused the middle class to be decimated, allowed small businesses to be undermined, while the rich get richer and big corporations get more powerful.  Nothing ever trickles down.  That's failed conservative economic policy in action.  And along with this is the lack of revenue to keep our roads and bridges from crumbling.  Just look at what "low taxes" and "limited government" has done in places like Kansas - utter disaster, put them deep into debt, and everything's falling apart.  [/quote]

Really? I need to strike what I said because you do not agree it's valid? That is the very ESSENCE of entitled thinking. You are assuming that only government can provide us with the tools necessary to build wealth. That is not so.  Conservatives do believe in infrastructure - in fact, the infrastructure we need is outlined in the Constitution. But guess what? Walt Disney built the original Disneyland in about 6 months because the cumbersome restrictions of government as it exists today does not exist. I looked into putting a pool on my property. Fairfax County wants 20K in permits. 20K! Go five miles to Loudoun County, that restriction does not exist.

You want to talk wealth inequality? Clinton wore a very expensive Armani blouse while she lectured the rest of us about wealth inequality. How do government elites get that rich? We know how athletes do - they have a skill they've worked hard at, and people are willing to pay money to watch them win. Movie stars? They have a craft they've honed and people are willing to pay money to see their movies. Clinton has been in government all her life. That should give you pause.

Right now we are in a flat economy. Have been for how many years? What did the stimulus stimulate? Where are the shovel-ready jobs? Why on earth should we throw more money at something that already failed?

I suggest you look at Venezuela. That nightmare is the fruit of large progressive government control.[/quote]

Venezuela didn't happen because of "progressivism" - it happened because of corruption.  As for "$20k in permits" for Fairfax, it doesn't "cost" 20k for permitting - they are using it as a revenue stream, pure and simple.  But roll back regulation and what do you get?  Do you have any fucking clue whatsoever how bad air quality is in China?  It's believed that 1.2 million people are dropping dead a year prematurely in China because of the high amounts of particulates and other pollution in the air.   1.2 million.  Yet twits like you think regulation is unneccesary.

As for stimulus it was well documented that over 250,000 infrastructure projects were completed - roads, bridges, wastewater treatment plants, et cetera.  Virtually every reputable economist out there agrees it was the right thing to do.  What did Stimulus do?  It stopped us from LOSING 800,000 jobs a month.  It stemmed the tide of the 13 TRILLION dollars in personal wealth that evaporated on Wall Street during Bush's watch.  That's that detail people like you forget about when you whine about how "awful" Obama's economy is for only having added 200,000 jobs in a month.  The main criticism reputable economists have is that there is so much more still left to do - yet conservatives want to put the brakes on, starve infrastructure and let it all just fall apart.  [/quote]
Not tHe pp - I have relatives in Venezuela and yes, Chavez was elected because of corruption - endemic in Latin America and places like New Orleans and Chicago. However, it was a functioning democracy. The nightmare if Venezuela - using democracy to dismantle democracy, decayed infrastructure, land grabs, property grabs, business nationalization, totalitarianism is du le to progressive socialism. The people who were rich before Chavez are by and large doing ok or left the country. The rest ae far poorer, in fact on the brink of starving.[/quote]

Venezuela had petro dollars coming in - but it was stolen by the elite.  That's not progressivism, that's not socialism, that's plain old fashioned corruption. [/quote]

The type of corruption that comes from large government. Yep.[/quote]

Follow the money.  Who benefited from the corruption?  The large government?  No.  The elites.  That's who benefitted.  You'll never understand anything as long as you keep muddling everything up and as long as you don't follow the money.[/quote]

THE ELITES ARE THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. How do you think they got away with everything. They own it all.[/quote]

Exactly. But under Chavez/socialism they were able to justify the pillage of unseen proportions as helping the poor. What a loser. [/quote]

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