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And now, I leave the islamophobe with this request - please stop vilifying the Islamic faith. From the beginning you have confused the practice of Islam with Muhammads true revelation.  You clearly have not read Leila Ahmed's book and have no right to be quoting passages that appear on a google preview. Learn Islamic history and then come back to debate from a position of knowledge. You are not in that position now.[/quote]
Nothing you have posted challenges the original claim - Muslims portray Islam as a sole source of civilization, and pre-Islamic Arabia as a dark, terrible place because it's an ideologically serviceable approach.

Jahilia is not a scientific term.  It's a branding effort.  A brand is what people agree to all something.

What do you mean "I have no right"?  What right do I need to quote anything at all?

I notice you didn't say anything at all about the way she contrasted the lives of Khadija and Aisha - in a light that wasn't very flattering to Aisha.   That, I don't think you can blame on the Abbasids :) Do you want to try and spin this?[/quote]

[b]Show me the post where Muslima or I wrote that Islam is the "sole source of civilization." You will never find such a post because we never said that. Are you suggesting we are to be held responsible for what every author writes about Islam, true or not? I should hope not. [/b]

[b]You do not have the right to post one paragraph from a book that you have never read because in that very book, the author's opinion evolved to something different later on. This is why you look foolish quoting from a paragraph offered on a google preview without reading the book.

[b]On a side note, however, I find it amusing that this paragraph was chosen for the google preview but the subsequent chapters in her book speak quite favorably about Islam. My guess is it was used to entice Islamophobes like you to purchase her book. What a surprise they would get when they continued to read Ahmed's book, however! [/b][/b][/quote]
You and Muslima said, on multiple occasions, that Islam brought substantial improvement to the status of women who were treated like chattels before it showed up.  The competing claim has always been that the sorrows of Pre-Islamic Arabia are overstated, and so are the joys brought by Islam.   The real picture is much more nuanced. Of course you didn't say "sole source of civilization" - do you write as well as Leila Ahmed? Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.

Don't also be ridiculous with your talk of rights.  Anyone has the right to quote anything published. The word "right" is out of place there.  I happen to own this book. I happen to read it differently from you.  That she speaks favorably about Islam doesn't mean she doesn't also speak favorably about other things.  You have a very black-and-white view of the world that's unsuitable for interpreting scholarly writing.  You didn't post all of it - did you? You cherry-picked the parts that fit your narrative, otherwise her black-and-white comparison of lives of Muhammad's wives pre- and post-Islam would have been included.  I, for my part, cherry-picked the quotes that work for me. So?

Authors' opinions don't "evolve" as they write the book.  Authors begin writing books with their opinions fully formed already. [/quote]

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