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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Unless Yale plans to dramatically increase in size, the only way to end the “murky admissions practices” is to be open about conducting a lottery for everyone over a certain benchmark. There is no fair way to pick a mere 2% from a pool of highly-qualified 17 year olds. [/quote]

The pool of truly highly qualified applicants is much smaller than the number who appear highly qualified on paper. grade inflation, test optional, superscoring, score choice, fake ECs all make it highly difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, turns college admissions into a cynical game of PR and marketing.[/quote]

It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that Yale and its peers have no ability to reverse grade inflation or eliminate the cynical game of PR and marketing, and their admissions offices have no ability to distinguish between the truly qualified and those who only look qualified on paper. Picking the 2% who are truly qualified from a very large pool of people who appear to be truly qualified is impossible. [/quote]

Qualified for what?   Yale needs to have biochem majors and math majors and history majors and drama students and hockey players on and on.  You don't get that with a lottery.   They can change to a lottery but it fundamentally changes lots of things about current American colleges.

And what good is freeing up science research dollars because you instituted a lottery and ending up without the students interested in pursuing the research?  That makes no sense.

I see nothing in this report that indicates a lottery system is going to be used by American universities.[/quote]

I could do without Hockey players.

You know what would be popular - if the ivy League together got rid of 20% of their sports. Hockey is popular, I get it. But how about moving the following from varsity/recruited sports to club sports:

Mens sailing
Women sailing 
Mens skiing
Womens skiing 
mens water polo
womens water polo 
mens squash
womens squash
mens fencing
womens fencing
I'd also get rid of mens field hockey and women's wrestling but maybe that's too controversial

if you have sports that dont bring in 30 spectators at home, it's a club sport. treat it like one.

get rid of legacy at the same time.

get rid of the Z list.

and put in place SAT minimums.

announce it all at once.

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Wouldn't it just be easier to have your kid play by the existing rules rather than trying to reshape it in your image? Get your kid into sailing, squash, water polo and fencing.[/quote]

Do as much of that as you like but it has nothing to do with pursuing higher education.  Makes no sense.[/quote]

The school values sports. You don’t. Find a school that aliwoth your priorities.[/quote]

The Yale report indicates that that ship is sailing.  Has nothing to do with me.   They want to get rid of things like recruiting for sailing that is angering the country.  Yale probably needs research dollars more than it needs a sailing team.[/quote]

People are angry about sailing?[/quote]

Asians are angry about sports.[/quote]

Asian here.

Lots of assumptions about asians and sports but the asians I know are not angry about sports.  We have the resources to pay for sports.  The poor asians don't but they probably get the FGLI preference.
We think some of these preferences are weird (giving a preference to professors kids would be considered pretty corrupt in my home country) but it doesn't bother us.
If you stack up all the preferences, the people who do NOT get a preference are native born white people who don't have the money to provide their kids an edge either through long term expensive activities or just a flat donation to institutions.

If you see an asian get really upset about testing, they probably poor or grew up poor.  Testing is seen as a way to disrupt wealth and privilege in asia, here it is seen as reinforcing wealth and privilege.
Affluent asians are disproportionately alumni at some place that is worth having a legacy preference to.  5% of americans are asians, 20% of the alumni at the top schools are asian.  The affluent asians might think legacy preferences are weird but we sort of like them.  Stanford's recent stand against eliminating legacy preferences was met with a small sigh of relief by some families.
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So nobody is actually mad about anything? Glad we cleared all that up.  We’ve eliminated all the people who might have a grievance except poor whites. I don’t think they are the ones desperate to get into Yale in the first place so sounds like we’re all good here.[/quote]

I can't speak for all asians.  [b]I was mad about the anti-asian discrimination, but SFFA seems to be making a difference in how people talk about being asian.[/b]
Also, it's not just poor whites gettig the shaft, its non-rich whites.  A lot of the populist faction of MAGA comes from that group.[/quote]

" but SFFA seems to be making a difference in how people talk about being Asian." [b]Not in a positive manner.[/b]

None of the MAGA woke noise about the Ivy leagues has anything to do with helping Asians. It is entirely about keeping black people down, preying on the resentments of poor whites. Stephen Miller doesn't want more Asians at Ivy league schools, he wants fewer Asians in the country.[/quote]

We were never going to get the racists to say nice things about asians but now the notion that you can say these racist things about asians and still pretend not to be racist has gone away.[/quote]

My family is mixed so I’m not sure where we fall in the mix but I can tell you that the SFFA decision was extremely unpopular among my kids friend group. Many of their parents liked it but the kids themselves didn’t at all.[/quote]

OP: we are Bay Area.[/quote]

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