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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][b]These are private institutions with their own priorities which they have every right to.[/b] The idea that admissions is somehow hierarchical in terms of scores and grades needs to just go away. Elite schools want an interesting mix of interests and talents. They are assembling a class. The fact that a kid might have better admissions chances from having collected rare western wildflowers and being able to have a discussion on them or played violin at an incredible level, or being a top volleyball player while keeping high grades than someone at the top of their class in high school with high test scores is fine. Actually, it is more than fine.

Maybe we need to separate the undergraduate portions of these schools from the graduate portions. The grant money is actually for the grad schools and their research anyway so why pretend. Admissions to the grad schools is pretty straightforward and subject based which makes sense for them as well. The undergraduate schools could make sure that they aren't admitting a disproportionate number of their grad students from their undergraduates and the undergraduate schools can do as they please.[/quote]

But they don't have a right to tax exempt status.
They don't have a right to any federal funding.
They don't have a right to any research grants.

If their private status takes away our ability to control our dollars, we should only be funding state schools.  Let the private colleges fund their own research and their own student aid and their own donation incentives.[/quote]

We could do that and give up the greatest basic research apparatus in the history of mankind.

Or, you could quit conflating the graduate side of the universities with the undergraduate side.[/quote]

I conflate the two because they are the same.  You are making an artificial distinction.

Do you intend to hold all republicans responsible for trump?  Why?  Can't you make the distinction between trump and the rest of the party?[/quote]

The distinction isn’t artificial, it just isn’t something that you want to contemplate because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Same goes for your republican comment. I was a republican for 35 years. Anyone that voted for that POS deserves whatever shame they get. They enabled the the grifter. The backlash will be hard.[/quote]

The backlash will be temporary.  It always is, but the free political points from bashing DEI at colleges is permanent for the foreseeable future.

Why can't ALL the research at Harvard be done at state schools?  If ALL the funding goes there, you don't think the researchers will follow?[/quote]

They might and that would be fine. My issue is with demanding that institutions drop their priorities for what another group believes to be the "correct" priorities. It's just fundamentally wrong.[/quote]

Harvard can keep doing what its doing but stop whining about the loss of funding.[/quote]

Stop complaining about your kid dying of diseases if you don’t want to fund research [/quote]

We can fund the research at U Mass or UCLA.[/quote]

That's not how research works.   They don't hand out the grants and ask UMass to do the research. You have  the research team apply for the grants and win it.  Does UMass have the research team doing the research on your kid's disease? do they?[/quote]

No but the research team that used to do it can move to U Mass. [/quote]

Then get rid of all private education from kids on up.   No tax advantage dollars or research dollars for any of it including religious schools [/quote]

Removing tax exempt status is not necessary because education is explicitly a tax exempt purpose unless they are illegally discriminating.  That is in a law that was passed by congress.

But research funding is usually granted by the executive, it can be sent to Harvard or UNC.  The law does not care.[/quote]

Okay then this is clearly just politics.  Harvard is to be punished because of politics.  Yale somehow it's not going to get as severe punishment because of politics or corruption or whatever it is.

What small potatoes in the big scheme of things.   I mean we literally got into yet another war in the Middle East and gave everything away to billionaires because of ivy league college admissions and trans kids and landscapers being immigrants instead of your next door neighbor's 8th grader?  We are stupid.[/quote]

It takes two to tango.  if the Ivy league didn't have to go that far.  the trans issue didn't have to get so extreme.  the illegal alien issue could have been addressed sooner.

Sometimes you got to blow shit up so they don't forget that there are consequences.[/quote]

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