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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sorry to interrupt this thrilling but completely irrelevant discussion of 1960s food but this is the actual problem.[twitter]https://x.com/jreinermd/status/2029213077091037605?s=46&t=kf1qYlCXQnKgUhJWEIu2vg[/twitter][/quote]

The discussion of 1960s food was meant to refute a favorite anti-vaxxer talking point: that our “advancements” in food and sanitation led to the decline in measles deaths and complications, and not the fact that we started vaccinating people.

In short - the early 1960s was better in almost every way the crunchies value, and kids died. A lot of them. They didn’t stop dying en masse until we started vaccinating en masse. As we are seeing now, all the hygiene in the world isn’t moving the needle - we are seeing complications at the exact rate we’d expect from past experience. [/quote]

Are you going to just pretend that measles deaths and infections weren't dropping going into the 1960s? What caused the death rate to go from 12/100k to 0.21/100k in the years prior to the vaccine? Why do you dismiss the 11.79/100k drop, while holding the 0.21 drop as some sort of miracle? [/quote]
Why do you seem so determined to go back to where we had that many deaths? Were measles cases declining before the measles vaccine was introduced? Yes, they were—and that’s a fact worth acknowledging. But the rate of decline after vaccination dwarfed anything we saw before. While we saw gradual improvements over decades, the introduction of the vaccine in 1963 triggered a stunning 97% drop in just five years.[/quote]

1. Measles was already heading towards elimination/near elimination without a vaccine. Maybe it would have taken to the 70s/80s to get there, but we would have gotten there.
2. The MMR vaccination is not without risk. Read the package insert. There may be additional risks that aren't covered in the insert that people are still trying to figure out.
3. It therefore becomes questionable if the measles vaccine actually results in a net increase in health over the long term. [/quote]

One obvious side effect of measles vaccination is that it let idiots like you live long enough to say completely stupid, made up crap.

The short bus has rolled in, everyone. Point and laugh. [/quote]

This is a bit of a taboo topic, in that its very possible that vaccines are substituting fitness based mortality of resisting disease with what is essentially random mortality from injections. This is letting people make it to adulthood and reproduce that never would have done so before. While at the same time killing/crippling kids who would otherwise make it to adulthood unharmed. Is that a good thing? I bet you and I are in agreement here.

Thank you for bringing this up. [/quote]

[b]Not a single person has been killed by the MMR vaccine,[/b] and I’d venture to say the ones who were “crippled” by a few strains of some dead virus weren’t long for this world anyway. In a bit of news that is surprising to no one except low IQ antivaxxers, dysfunctional immune systems are dysfunctional. Sorry if one of your kids was one of the unfit - it must be terrifying knowing a real live virus could kill them. Or worse - the kind of huge “viral load” a kid gets in an average elementary school classroom in January.

But yes, in the past when people have refused to take common sense measures, Nature has been relentless. One of Benjamin Franklin’s great regrets was that he never inoculated his son against smallpox because he thought the boy was too weak. You can guess what happened next. (He got smallpox for real and died.)

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Hopefully you didn’t pay for the AI that told you that. There are reported deaths in VAERS. The drug companies also admit it killed immunocompromised people which is why they aren’t given it anymore.[/quote]

Oh yes, VAERS. Where guilty moms can blame vaccines when they smother their children to death in unsafe cosleeping arrangements. VAERS, where no truth or medical substantiation is required to submit to the database. That VAERS? [/quote]

If you have a better data source I'm all ears. If not VAERS, then on what can you make claims of safety for the MMR vaccine, or really any vaccine? [/quote]

How about peer reviewed research? By real Ph.Ds?

According to VAERS, vaccines have caused opiate overdoses, many suicides (grown adults, 20+ years later), teen acne, preexisting cat allergies to flare up, and an allergy to Korean food. In addition to the previously cited Hulk-itis and SIDS that isn’t SIDS at all but mommy smothering baby in bed.

I could file a claim today asserting the Covid vaccine caused my high blood pressure and you’d probably accept it as truth. The timing lines up.

But a researcher could determine with about 2 minutes of questions that my high blood pressure is actually an inevitable complication of a genetic disease that I have, and that has been affecting generations of my ancestors for longer than vaccines have been a thing. They might also figure out that I got lucky that the high blood pressure didn’t start for me until when it did, since my direct relatives all experienced it much younger.

It’s important to have a monitoring system, but there is no filter on VAERS for truth. Correlation does not equal causation. Sometimes it’s just a coincidence. Or, like, an heartbreaking attempt to avoid accountability for raising a junkie or smothering an infant by engaging in unsafe sleep practices.

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So what research by these Ph.Ds support the claim that no one has ever died from the MMR vaccine?[/quote]

DP.  If you research it (no...I mean real research, not listening to a blogger or a tik tok video), I don't think there are any verified DEATHS that have been directly attributed to the MMR vaccine.  On the other hand, there are many deaths attributed to measles.

Now SDASU antivax loser POS.[/quote]

So what you're saying is that if deaths in immunocompromised people don't count, and deaths reported to VAERS don't count, and then we don't look any further then we can conclude that the MMR vaccine didn't kill anyone? Is that correct?

Essentially the absence of evidence is evidence of absence then?[/quote]

Immunocompromised people shouldn't be taking the vaccine.  They are one of the groups that need to be protected by herd immunity.  This is talking about deaths among healthy people cleared to take the vaccine.  And reports in VAERS don't establish causality.[/quote]

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