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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I mean why would Carney want to put his eggs in one basket that Canada has always done w US? It's obvious he can't trust Trump and this is an ideal time to go find other partners.  He's negotiating from a position of strength in that he will try to make do with what he can from Trump but what he can't get he shouldn't have to beg.  There is no corner as you suggest he's against - if Trump fails to partner so be it. Canada finds another way.  I say this as an American. I think that guy is the bomb, I am so jealous Canada has him as a leader.  Nobody should want to be the partner of the US while Trump and GOP are in office. While you need us, diversifying to not needing us is the best thing for our neighbor.

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There are no other partners. If you run trade deficits and are not a reserve currency, you have two limiting options:  (a) fiscal discipline (reduced social welfare payments) or (b) an accelerating economic death at the hands of inflation (UK/Turkey). Neither is a great outcome. Thus, no other country in the world is looking to run sustained trade deficits and sustained trade deficits are deeply unpopular politically throughout the world. The USA was the only game in town and now it is gone.

He could theoretically thread a needle like Australia and rely on commodity export to China for a trade surplus, but Canadian greens aren’t there for him.   Yes, this all plays well on TV and it’s a great release to see him stand up to Trump, but eventually you have to govern and he’s put himself in a tough spot. Not one of strength.

As for as not needing us: no, you are just wrong. Nobody is going to ship components to Canada just to assemble them there and then ship finished product back to foreign markets. The logistical+labor costs make no sense. The advantage of was lower labor costs that give access to America’s market. [/quote]

Hey dude, did you type this response into an AI response? Or is this JD Vance? Your American self-centered view will be dismantled soon enough. [/quote]

Ok, explain to me how Canada is going to come out of this in even decent shape?  This isn’t about an American self centered view but rather the simple reality that Canada finds itself in.

Y’all are salivating over how great this guy is when we’re less than 45 days into this crisis. Ultimately, the judgment of crisis will not be on posture and one-liners but on outcomes. So what is the great alternative path that Carney is going to deliver?[/quote]

So Trump sits next to him and disrespects his country but saying they should be ours.  What did you want Carney to do? I mean what's your plan? He never asked Mexico to be the 52nd state.  He's actually not been messing with them other than deporting Mexicans in US out.  So I do think Mexico lying low makes sense.  But Canada - Trump isn't wrong suggesting how close we are - but the disrespect!

I'm not sure what you would have a country do. Just want to do everything to stick with Trump? Why? Because no other option can be as fruitful as partnering with the US? That's some serious lunacy.  I wouldn't want to have anything to do with someone who treats me like shit after being my friend.  Believe me, global alliances are shifting and somehow someway even if it takes 5 years of suffering, at least with their self respect intact, I guarantee you Canada will find a way out.

Even if they don't, they gave the respect of every other country likely wanting to do business with them.  Don't count Carney out either - that guy is well versed in how the real world is run.  There is no way you my friend are more knowledgeable than him in the field of economics. He's not just book smart either :)

So yeah I wouldn't worry about Canada. They are the envy of the world actually anytime Carney sits next to Trump, we Americans should all wince. Good God we look like fools!  I'm an American and I wish I could move to Canada.  We're all gonna suffer economically you do get that right? The reason you are suffering is the only difference.  Canada did not cause this.  China did not cause this.  It's the US bringing this to ourselves and that will hurt us 100x more. [/quote]

I’m sorry, but this is some Aaron Sorkin fantasy land stuff.  You sound like an inverse MAGA voter:  “the dear leader Carney will just figure it out.”   Global trade is the ultimate prisoner’s dilemma. How do you get worldwide cooperation when everybody is incentivized to pursue their own self interest at the expense of others?  For the past 30 years the obvious answer was that America would be the balancing account. Trump, tapping into sentiment that predates him within the American electorate, has said no more of that.   The Euros tried to solve the issue with the common currency/trade zone + tight fiscal rules, but that effort mostly fell flat as their economy was left in the dust and extremely vulnerable to Russia. So how do you propose solving the world’s oldest problem beyond “where there is a will there is a way” children’s fantasies?  This reminds me of that email that Donald Rumsfeld sent his staffer late at night asking why he hadn’t yet solved Middle East peace and the Israel/Palestine conflict.   Good luck!

Being the envy of the world, handling yourself gracefully, playing the part doesn’t pay the bills, even if it makes people feel good.  Simply wanting to find a way out of this in five years won’t do the trick either.

Really hard choices are going to have to be made by Canada, none of them particularly desirable.  The goal should be to advocate for the Canadian people’s interests while preserving maximum optionality. Carney has muscularly done the former but at the expense of the latter. If you guys want to salivate over such obviously foolish leadership because it feels good to stand up to Trump, so be it. But stop trying to sell the rest of us on some West Wing baby boomer fantasy. [/quote]

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