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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Caltech comes the closest to a true meritocracy. Interestingly, the profs are currently far more concerned with athletic admission boosts than racial, as there’s a high percentage of athletes at a school of 1000.

But even at Caltech I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some differences difference based on sex, given there’s more than double the number of male applicants but the student population is 54% male. So, is that an ok exception? If so, how different from other cases? If not, do we lose something? There has always been at least a case for some form of diversity, but arguing we might as well resort to ditching democratic norms if we can’t agree where to draw the line is like burning down the house when you dislike the paint job. [/quote]

Was it worth the civil unrest and chaos of the 1960s to stop legal discrimination against blacks?
Sure this isn't nearly as bad but it's still racial discrimination and it's certainly worth destroying harvard over.

I bet if you just lined up test scores and GPA, it wouldn't look as bad between men and women at caltech as the difference between blacks and asians at harvard.
I personally don't think we should have gender preferences either but the gap is not obscene

Here's another thing about places like caltech and mit and women.  Do you notice anything they have in common?
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Wow, talk about discrimination.  You sure seem to be up for it when it suits you.  The issue with what you perceive as Asian discrimination is cultural, not racial. It's the culture that generates the "Ivy recipe " of violin, robotics, math team, FBLA, golf/tennis etc.  It’s about how the students appear in terms of achievements and interests, not race. Also, the constant ratcheting of intensity and achievement means that these kids may not have developed creative or communication skills. Who knows.

You think that not prioritizing students who excel at the recipe is "racist, " but are fins suggesting black students have lesser scores and are therefore less meritorious than Asian. How much prep did both sets of students do? How much enrichment? Hopkins CTY? Math boosted 3 years ahead to get into magnets only for math curriculum to be review because it was already addressed with private instruction? And who believes standard test are the end all be all of merit? Only the parents who invested in them.

Talk about discrimination.  Sheesh.[/quote]

No it was racial.  The reason we know it was racial is because the harvard lawsuit exposed their admissions process.  They gives students a score for their academics, their extracurriculars, for their athletics and for their personal qualities.

Asians beat out every other group in academics and extracurriculars, and athletics tend not to matter unless you are a recruited athlete.

But the scoring for personal qualities was color coded.  Whites did better than asians, hispanics did better than whites and blacks did better than hispanics.  The disparity in personal scores between asians and blacks was enormous, what made it seem even more suspicious was that the alumni interviewers that actually met the applicants did not register any meaningful difference between applicants of different races but the admissions committee that never met the applicants noted large differences that had statistically significant differences by race.

I don't know what generation you are but asians excel in every dimension.  They deliberately avoid things like violin and tennis to avoid appearing too asian.

Finally, standardized test scores are the most reliable predictor of everything you would want to predict in a student.  
This isn't the opinion of some anonymous internet poster.  This is the conclusion of almost every study done on the subject.
This is the reason why almost every jurisdiction outside of the USA uses solely or primarily test scores tod etermine admission to college.

The only poeople who think test scores aren't that important are people with less academically gifted children or people who are so heavily invested in woke ideology that they cannot see straight.[/quote]

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