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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anyone here informed about “shedding”?[/quote]

Viral shedding?[/quote]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895

"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."

we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.

While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)

"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"

In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
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Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host.  The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms.  Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others.  They may not show characteristic symptoms. [/quote]

I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false. [/quote]

Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means.  The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms.  In other words,[b] transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only.[/b]   If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.  [/quote]

This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness. [/quote]

We have herd immunity.  Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives? [/quote]

still 3 in 100 get it if exposed and vaccinated. pop as to be >95% innoculated to reach herd immunity and many areas do not have that threshold[/quote]

This NPR article has a lot of good infographics in it about how contagious measles is compared to other diseases and the vaccination rates around Texas. Big takeaway: "About half of the counties in Texas have a kindergarten vaccination rate below that 95% threshold [for herd immunity]. In Foard County, Texas [which has the lowest vaccination rate in the state], the rate stands at just under 67%. In a classroom with that vaccination rate, one infected child would infect five other unvaccinated classmates with measles on average."
[url]https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5312088/measles-texas-outbreak-contagious-spread[/url][/quote]

yes and all it takes is for unvaccinated to spread. thats the problem with unvaccinated populations. in measles it will infect vaccinated because it isnt 100% and lets not forget the babies who cant be vaccinated. I have one of those and I am pissed. [/quote]

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