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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So where would a DC based young but aspiring top level player play? If both Bethesda and Achilles aren’t good, what’s the better option?[/quote] There’s a group working on bringing a new club to the bethesda area. They are building new fields. Heard some of bethesda coaches are already secretely on board and they will be offering encl girls program. [/quote] JC will find these traitors!! [/quote] Potomac did just get ECNL boys........[/quote] Potomac girls are not within a million miles of ECNL ready or worthy. Boys they’re stronger and it is a totally different story with BSC having MLSNext and no other ECNL boys programs in county. Not to mention Achilles MLSN. More realistic is a GA program in MoCo. They have a big presence around Baltimore and surrounding areas (Armour, Celtic, Coppermine). Potomac had a short lived partnership with the now defunct Metro United. I guess MoCo is big enough for another ECNL but it would make zero sense for Potomac any time soon. Maybe RL only (like DC Soccer) which also helps with less travel for MD RL teams. Works well in VA with more RL teams because of the combined ECNL team clubs having their own RL teams, which MD does not have. [/quote] Dismissing the readiness or worthiness of clubs in MoCo seems harsh and just wrong. The reality is that development is a dynamic process, and clubs evolve rapidly based on the quality of their coaching, resources, and commitment to player. As for BSC, while they have MLSNext and ECNL, it doesn’t necessarily make them more “worthy” than other clubs—every organization has its strengths and areas for growth. Seriously just think, we have to pay trainers more than the club in many cases because the coaching is so terrible just so our kids don't fall behind. But THAY speaks to a broader issue across many clubs, not just one. We should only have to pay for the platform lol. If there’s a growing interest and talent pool in MoCo, why shouldn’t there be more opportunities for players, whether that’s through ECNL, GA, MLSN or other platforms? [/quote] It’s funny to see bethesda coaches in this board taking credit for developing players when in 99% of the cases these kids been developed by Paul Torres at Next Star. Ask any of these kids who they attribute their development to and you’ll see. [/quote] The fact that bethesda parents pay thousands for extra training is the perfect example to show how bad Bethesda’s program is and how little its impacts of the players development. This is true for most clubs though. [/quote] All players need extra training outside their clubs to reach the highest levels. Correct [/quote] In the USA yes [/quote] Until kids become residents living at the academies in Europe after U14, they do extra training outside if they want to be in the top percentile During summer and winter breaks many do private training. So do professional players. So no. Not only in the USA[/quote] You now throwing professionals in there? Really? How old is your child? I’m under the assumption we are talking about young kids here? [/quote] The PP clearly emphasized the Academy years. The point is that outside the USA everywhere does private extra training. [/quote] I'm just going to be honest. We often turn to private training because the coaching at the club level is lacking and doesn't prepare our kids for anything. Alternatively, we pay for extra sessions with coaches who may have influence within the club, in exchange for more favorable treatment for our child.[/quote] I thought people did private training outside their club because they had drive and motivation to develop into strong players. Coaches are coaching a team of players. They don't have enough time to give all the kids the personal attention to their individual development. Just like in school, the ones who do the most at home excel the most. [/quote] Come on we all have kids in the system. Coaches don't have time pay attention to kids individual development is BS. Then what are paying for team success lol. [/quote] Well, we know you're not a coach or familiar with training sessions for 15 or 20 kids Also, the moment a U8 to U10 coach seriously started focusing solely on development of individuals to the detriment of W's parents are in uproar and mass migration begins [/quote] This whole thread also has parents complaining about coaches not developing kids. My thesis of this case is that parents are more invested in their dreams for their kid than the kids are in those dreams. Of course the coach and the club have zero investment in the parent dream for the kid, they can’t. [/quote] What exactly is the club investing in? They constantly boast about developing players and taking credit for work they didn't even do. They can't then spin it by blaming parents saying they have unrealistic expectations or dreams when they failure consistently on delivering what they promise. [/quote] For sure they take credit in developing the player. In a game / team setting they absolutely do that - where outside of a club or team can your kid develop as a team player or in games? Duh….and while you might resent it because of the amount of outside work, or the position of your kid in the hierarchy, I think it’s totally fair game for the club to do that. But if the club promoting itself is the windmill you’re tilting at because you’re unhappy with your kid’s pathway…better not open instagram…gonbe a long hard road for you my friend. Check out most kids entering recruiting year’s socials, they’re not crediting every coach that helped them on every post. And I’d be floored if a kid credited their parents’ sacrifices and effort in a post. As far as the kids “PR” goes, it was all their own sweat blood and tears (and for a 15yo, it probably feels like it too…I don’t remember much anymore how I felt at 15). But nobody is complaining about kids not giving credit where credit is due. Why not? Because the kids is doing the work, just like the club and coaches, by and large, are doing their portions (it’s not a huge portion, but it’s an important portion) of the work. Like I said, it’s a mismatch of expectations. Nobody can to be more invested in the outcome than the player, not even the parent. And if the parent’s desired outcome is not in line with the work the kid is willing to do, the parent is the one out of alignment. If the club is not willing to do the work for the parent’s desired outcome, the parent is out of alignment. If the club isn’t willing to do the work for the kid’s desired outcome, then it’s the club, and you need to change clubs. This isn’t that hard of an equation. [/quote] The attempt to dismiss parental concerns as a “mismatch of expectations” is insulting. It’s not about unrealistic expectations; it’s about clubs failing to meet even the most basic commitments they’ve made. Parents invest their time, money, and hopes into these clubs, expecting their children to receive genuine development, not empty promises and self-serving credit-grabbing. And to suggest that parents should just accept this nonsense or change clubs if they don’t like it? That’s a coward’s response. It’s the club’s responsibility to deliver on what they promise, not to blame parents or players when they don’t. If a club can’t fulfill its role in a player’s development, it has no business taking any credit whatsoever. The bottom line is this: Clubs that fail to truly invest in their players but still claim credit for their success are nothing more than opportunistic frauds. They don’t deserve your respect, your money, or your time. If a club isn’t delivering, they deserve to be called out, not coddled.[/quote] [b]“Parents invest their time, money, and hopes into these clubs, expecting their children to receive genuine development, not empty promises and self-serving credit-grabbing”[/b] Where did the club rep, website, contract, coach, etc EVER say they would take on the responsibility for your time, your hopes, or your opinion of what their portion of your child’s “genuine” development is supposed to look like? Club fees are what? Top $8k a year for some high end mega clubs on the west coast? Development costs at the top end residential (free except R&B) academies are $150-300k for the academy. And, you’re raging claiming that for $48k in fees, but often more like $36k, the club not doing what OL Academy in France does for your kid isn’t your mismatch in expectations? Man, your kid is being taught all the wrong things about this journey they’re on. [/quote] This response is not only condescending but also completely misses the point. First off, bringing up the disparity in costs between a local club and a top-tier academy like OL Academy in France is nothing but a deflection. No one is expecting a $36,000 club to operate like a $300,000 academy. What parents do expect, however, is that clubs deliver on the promises they make, regardless of the fee structure. When a club markets itself as a development-focused organization, parents have every right to expect a certain level of commitment and quality. It’s not about the exact dollar amount; it’s about the club holding up its end of the bargain. If they promise to develop players, they should be providing more than just the bare minimum. Hiding behind the excuse that “we never said we’d take responsibility for your hopes or opinions” is nothing more than an attempt to dodge accountability. The argument that club fees are too low to warrant genuine development is disingenuous. Clubs are quick to tout their development programs, post success stories, and use these narratives to attract new players and justify their fees. But when they fail to deliver, suddenly the tune changes to “you’re expecting too much.” It’s a classic bait-and-switch tactic, and it’s unacceptable. [/quote] This take is completely outside of reality. If a club says “our program offers 4 practices a week with C licensed coach, and 3 tournaments a year. Plus some opportunities for extra skills sessions, access to a physio, video resources for highlights and game review, off field seminars, and once a year a recruiting workshop” and you’re expecting them to teach whatever “genuine development” means in your mind, you’ve acquired an out of touch expectation. Your club, I promise, gives your kid an IDP at least once a year, maybe more often if the club is solid. That IDP has a handful of things they excel at, and a few things they need to work on. The club isn’t taking responsibility for your kid to work on those. They’re giving you and your kid the feedback. Your club DOES provide an environment and opportunity for your kid to work on them in practice and games, but not some special extra fertilized training session with a guru on that that fundamental. Take some responsibility bruh. [/quote] First, listing out the basics like practices, tournaments, and occasional extras doesn’t excuse a club from fulfilling its core promise: actual player development. You’re treating these standard offerings as if they’re above and beyond, but they’re the bare minimum any decent club should provide. The idea that parents should lower their expectations because the club can only offer what’s on a checklist is absurd. “Genuine development” isn’t some mysterious, unattainable concept—it’s the reason parents choose a club in the first place. If a club markets itself as developmental, then that’s exactly what it should be delivering. As for the IDP, it’s laughable to act like a once-a-year review is some grand gesture. Giving a kid a few bullet points on what they’re good at and where they need to improve is not the same as actively participating in their development. Handing out feedback and then washing your hands of the responsibility is a cop-out. The club absolutely should be invested in helping players work on those areas, not just ticking a box and leaving the rest up to the player and their parents. The real issue here is accountability. Clubs want to market themselves as elite development centers, but when it comes time to actually do the work, they deflect responsibility. [/quote] If you bought all the marketing hype above the minimum you're a bit gullible. If you think dropping off you kid and picking them up is enough you're mistaken. A local grassroots club and team environment isn't private and personal training. They indeed should be teaching the group as much as they can to facilitate development, but which local club can provide bespoke individual training during team practices? [/quote] Wait so this is all Bulls**t? BETHESDA SC Developing Professional and Collegiate Soccer Players. We are a development club first. [/quote] What do you think that means? What do you mean when you say “genuine development.” I think you don’t understand what a development means in a team environment. But I don’t know that, so I’d love to know what YOU think that means the club is supposed to do specifically.[/quote] Not the PP, but development obviously means that a player gets better. Sure, a kid should be expected to get touches on their own, juggle, and put in the effort outside of practice to perfect WHAT THEY LEARN IN PRACTICE. To that end, I expect a BSC practice to include more that what a kid can do on his own. I expect a coach to demonstrate, explain, observe, correct, fine-tune, and teach the skills necessary to get to the next level. Kids who have those technical skills at BSC are not getting them from the practices. They're getting them from parents who were past players and can coach them or from private instruction. That's what I've observed. BSC is relying on its MLSN and ECNL to bring in players that were developed elsewhere. New parents don't know this because it's not how the club is advertised. Maybe this is just the way it is, and fine. But let's call a spade a spade.[/quote]
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