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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Still waiting for the YIMBYs who said voters have consistently voted for YIMBY candidates to explain what’s gone so wrong and why their policies have produced anemic housing growth, no jobs, and broken budgets. [/quote]

You're the only one who has said this.[/quote]

Nah. The YIMBY earlier in the thread said “ So what's your explanation for the fact that a majority of voters in Montgomery County, consistently, for several elections now, have voted for candidates who support the policies you oppose?”

Consistently for “several elections,” candidates who support YIMBY policies have won elections, according to the YIMBYs. Your side has won at the ballot box. Now own the results.

You might actually get more housing if you could admit that these policies have failed, but for some reason you continue dominating policy discussions with the same bad ideas. If it were me, and I kept doing the same things and housing kept getting worse, I’d try something different. [/quote]

"Candidates who support the policies you oppose" is not the same as "YIMBY candidates."

Recent elections: 2018, 2022. Maybe you expect huge results with respect to housing, based on policy changes made within the last 6 years, including covid. I don't.[/quote]

You didn’t say last two elections. You said several, so go back to at least 2014. And I didn’t say YIMBY candidates above, I said candidates who support YIMBY policies, so your distinction is irrelevant.

Name a single land use vote the YIMBYs have lost since 2004 (or 2014). You haven’t named a single one over two pages, so let’s just agree that you can’t because the YIMBYs have prevailed in every major land use vote. A big expert like yourself should be able identify the votes you lost and the impact those failed initiatives had on the housing market.

There’s no way around it: You own this. Now own the results. There’s been time for your subsidies and zoning changes and all the rest to work before COVID and there’s been time for them to work after. Other local economies and housing markets have bounced back since COVID. This one continues to get worse. [/quote]

What are you trying to accomplish here? Seriously. You're over here, anonymously being nasty to another anonymous person on the internet, saying "your policies are terrible and it's all your fault." Why are you wasting your time? Is this getting you what you want? Whatever that might be.[/quote]
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What I actually want is growth.[/b] YIMBY initiatives haven’t delivered even though they’ve had broad support on the council and have become the prevailing land use policy in MoCo. I’d like to know why you think YIMBY policies have failed and how you think YIMBYs need to change course. If you can’t do that, you should consider whether your continued advocacy is helpful or harmful to growth. That’s not nasty. It’s honest. [/quote]

Ok, so go advocate for growth. Anonymously typing out rude remarks to other anonymous people, on the internet, is not advocating for growth.

I, personally, do not believe that most of the County Council members are YIMBYs; I think they've only just recently, and not completely, started shifting towards the kinds of policies I would like to see; and to the extent they have made policy changes I support, those policy changes have been either small, or recent, or both. So no, I don't think YIMBY policies have failed.

As for your desire for growth? All growth, any growth, of any kind, anywhere, anyhow? No, I don't support that.

What I do know is that the future won't be like the present, let alone the past, no matter how much people might try to stop it. Climate change is happening now, and its local, national, and global effects are just going to get more disastrous.[/quote]

You still haven’t named a single YIMBY initiative that’s been voted down by the Council. I’ll even give you planning. What YIMBY initiative has been voted down at planning? The fact is you’ve been wildly successfully at getting your programs supported but you have nothing positive to show for any of it. That’s not rude. It’s the truth. [/quote]

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