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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are the science programs really that bad at JMU?[/quote]

I hesitate to say “bad”, but [b]JMU definitely is very weak in real science degrees like Physics or Chem. [/b] The same science degree from ODU or GMU or VCU would be much much stronger, and obviously both UVa and VT have very credible science degrees.  Going. to JMU for that degree will adversely impact one’s options at college graduation.  Harder to get into a good grad science program from JMU and also harder to get a job.  JMU would be OK if one’s career goal were o spend one’s life being a high school science teacher.  [/quote]

DP.  Please list your source for the above claims.  Nothing I have experienced - both with my own kids who are JMU grads (one in a science major) and many others we know - come even a little bit close to the fiction you're spinning.  Thanks.[/quote]

I'm the PP who asked the question, not the person who answered it, but I did find this:

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/chemistry-rankings

USNWR top 212 schools for chemistry:

42. UVA
67. VT
119. VCU
173. GMU
173. ODU
Not making the list: JMU

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[b]Neither does WilliM and Mary[/b].

And GMU tied with ODU makes sense.[/quote]

That is a graduate program ranking and W&M does not have a PhD program in chemistry, but that doesn't mean it isn't very good for undergraduate chemistry.  Only 10 universities in the country had more graduates go on to get chemistry PhDs from 2016-2022 (Berkeley, UCSD, Michigan, UT Austin, Pitt, Wisconsin, UNC, Cornell, Penn State, and Illinois) and all of those schools have much larger enrollments.  In the College Scorecard, W&M Chemistry B.S. graduates have higher median earnings than any other Virginia public school.

https://www.highereddatastories.com/2023/10/undergraduate-institutions-of-doctoral.html
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+1 W&M's chemistry program is top-notch.  I'm so tired of people misinterpreting data and then making assertions about things they know nothing about. [/quote]

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