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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] Laws vary by state, but, in most states, fathers are responsible for financial support during pregnancy and including birth. The OBLIGATION exists back to the moment of conception even if the ENFORCEMENT of the obligation doesn’t begin until post birth. In some states, like Colorado, paternity can be established pre birth and pregnancy expenses can be enforced against the father of the unborn child prior to birth. [/quote] You’re lying. Hell, I’ll be generous. You’re twisting words to try and make it look like you have a point: https://www.colorado-family-law.com/parenting-custody/paternity-unmarried-parents Fatherhood of the children of an unwed mother is established AT BIRTH. Like in every state, unless you have proof otherwise. The father is only responsible for paying for part of the birth if the state of Colorado’s social services paid for them. Insurance, little things like carpooling, all this stuff is predicated on BIRTH. That time when the products of concept becomes it’s own person, breathing its own air, able to take in nutrition from something other than the nutrients sucked from its mother’s body. You forced birthers are such freaks who have spent so much time in your little misogyny bubbles that you’ve lost touch with reality. [/quote] Try again. You’re running a lazy Google search instead of actually reading the law. CRS 19-4-105.5.3 explicitly permits the filing of a paternity action prior to the birth of a child. CRS 19-4-116(3)(c) explicitly states that bills for pregnancy and childbirth expenses[b] are recoverable[/b] in a paternity action. No requirement that costs be incurred by governmental entities. Once you read the code for yourself, please do come back and admit you were wrong (although an apology would be nice). https://leg.colorado.gov/agencies/office-legislative-legal-services/colorado-revised-statutes [/quote] ....but such payments are "recoverable" after birth. If life begins at conception, why is the mother having to "recover" anything? She should be paid by the alleged father in real-time. Interesting that the law treats birth as the qualifying event upon which recovery can be premised.[/quote] I don’t think that is the correct interpretation. 19-4-105.5.3 permits the institution of legal paternity determinations prior to birth. 19-4-116(c)(3) provides they PREGNANCY, child birth and other costs may be rolled in to child support. Elsewhere (sorry, I’m too lazy to find an exact cite), the code permits the court to award child support at any time after paternity has been established. Read it all together, and in Colorado, a father is legally OBLIGATED for pregnancy expenses prior to birth to be paid by the father prior to birth. From a practical standpoint, legal enforcement may not happen against deadbeats until after birth, but that’s a different issue. [/quote]
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