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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm so glad we bit the bullet at the start if the 2020 school year and enrolled our kids in an independent school that was open 5 days a week without a single interruption. The sky did not fall and nobody died and for the majority of the school year the entire school was unvaccinated.

We have none of these learning or behavioral problems you all are describing.  Love our bubble. Love my kids being in school with families who are not neurotic freaks. [/quote]

??? Many of us would have loved to have done this but could not/cannot afford it. Thanks for being an a$$hole though. [/quote]

Meh. Many people sacrifice to get their kids into independent schools. Also, they don't all cost $50K/year. [/quote]

Well we aren’t all comfortable with Catholic or evangelical Christian either, and those are the ones that are cheaper. How’s the view up there on your high horse?[/quote]

Nobody said religious school. Many parochial schools were hybrid, half as bad as the publics.

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Yes, and for those of us who can’t really even afford the tuition at such a school, “sacrificing” only to have the school go hybrid or pushing us into constant quarantine is not an option.

The idea that all parents had the option to send their child to in-person school last year if they had only been willing to sacrifice more is absurd. It was the same conversation around childcare. “Just get a nanny” as though that’s accessible to all families.

We screwed over families and specifically, children, last year. Full stop. And over and over again, [b]we’ve seen that open schools does not lead to uncontrolled viral spread, or dead kids (or dead teachers). People keep saying it does but over and over, all around the world, we have seen it does not[/b].

But closed schools result in learning loss, increased inequity, behavioral issues, mental health issues, family dysfunction. The OP isn’t the only one making these observations.[/quote]

Actually we’ve seen over and over all over the world that open schools without significant mitigation measures like masking, contract tracing, vaccination, distancing, airflow changes, etc does lead to spread, quarantine, and death.  The reason we’re not seeing that here is because of the high rate of teachers vaccination, mask requirements in schools, and an over abundance of well off people who are able to access good healthcare normally including testing for Covid to help limit spread.

That’s not to say that schools shouldn’t be open, but we shouldn’t minimize what’s its costing in term of dollars, people, stress, and virus management hours to keep this under control.[/quote]

actually no we have not seen that. most kids get covid at home, not school. [/quote]

That makes no sense. They are much more likely to get COVID at school. It is a droplet viral infection spread when people are in close contact with each other. Schools and school buses  are one of biggest common vectors.[/quote]

wrong. lots of research indicating that kids are more likely to get it at home than school. [/quote]

Really? Cite one credible study and Qanon / fb friends/ fox hot heads are not credible sources … [/quote]

NP. Have you cited one credible source that schools and school buses are “one of the biggest common vectors” of transmission in a community? No, you haven’t, because you can’t. This might be news to you, but there is a broad scientific consensus that most Covid transmission happens in private indoor settings.[/quote]

Read above - CDC states that transmission in schools.mimicked wider community transmission. So in high transmission areas, especially with out mask mandates (looking at you Florida), schools are major venues where the virus spreads. The stats for teacher and bus driver deaths speak for themselves. [/quote]

Exactly - The findings all over the world are that infection rates in schools mirror community spread. That does not prove that schools were drivers of that spread, which is with the PP claimed. In fact epidemiologists have used these findings to argue that this is not the case. If cases found among people in schools mirror community levels of spread, it does not prove that spread was rampant from kid to kid or from kids to adults in schools, it only shows that higher rates of infection in the community mean that more infected people will enter the schools and their infections will be picked up by in-school testing.[/quote]

Actually pp said they are more likely to be venues where virus is transmitted than homes are. Yes in communities with low vax rates and no mask mandates, schools are much more likely to be places where virus is spread than private homes.[/quote]

Actually the PP said “Schools and school buses are one of biggest common vectors”. That implies they are major vectors of community spread.

And repeating your claim that schools are more important venues of transmission than private homes and private gatherings without presenting any actual evidence for it doesn’t make it more credible. None of the links you posted actually provide such evidence.[/quote]

I have  provided a lot of evidence for COVID killing large numbers of teachers and bus drivers in schools especially in states with anti vax ers  and no mask mandates while you have provided none for claim that kids are more likely to catch COVID at home. [/quote]

So you admit that you have provided no evidence for your claim that we are debating, which is that [i]schools are major vectors of community transmission[/i].  Why should I do the work of digging up links to refute this unsubstantiated claim? If you dug into the actual research, rather than the kind of links you have posted, you would find that most experts reject this idea. That, of course, doesn’t mean that nobody ever gets infected at school. But your own CDC link says that transmission inside schools occurs mostly among adults and from adults to kids. It also doesn’t mean that there should be no reasonable mitigations, or that vaccination rates aren’t important.

Here is just one article that makes the point, which has been reiterated over and over by epidemiologists all over the world during this pandemic, that the vast majority of infections occur at home:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2021/10/more-than-90-of-covid-clusters-in-massachusetts-are-happening-at-home-data-shows-where-youre-most-likely-to-catch-virus.html%3FoutputType%3Damp[/quote]

Just one article because there are literally no credible studies that support this claim.  That article misinterpreted CDC data

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/scicheck-posts-misinterpret-cdcs-provincetown-covid-19-outbreak-report/[/quote]

WTF are you talking about? Your link has literally nothing to do with what we were discussing. But keep proving that you can’t make a focused argument, or evaluate relevant evidence. I am done responding to you.[/quote]

No credible wide spread study supports your claim that people are more likely to catch COVID at home than at school. It is not even
Possible to separate them if households have unvaccinated children attending in person school.
 
Research finds that parents are more likely to report COVID-19 symptoms when their children attend in-person learning. 
The risk drops when schools follow COVID-19 mitigation strategies. 
Experts stress the importance of knowing what measures your child's school is implementing.

Levels of transmission in schools mirrors levels of transmission in local communities. We are fortunate to live in a high vax and mandatory mask area. States with low vax rates and no mask mandates have much higher loss of life in schools (especially bus drivers and teachers since the kids usually do not become as sick).  “Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in schools and ECE programs depends on the local transmission rates; the types of variants circulating; the epidemiology of COVID-19 among children, adolescents, and staff; vaccine coverage for those eligible; and mitigation measures in place to prevent transmission.” 
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