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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Right.   We need to be able to do both at once.  If schools aren’t able to pivot to virtual, either for entire classrooms or individual students who need to quarantine (because they are positive, they live with someone who is positive, etc), our choice is allowing these kids to continue to being covid to their classmates or for them to experience guaranteed learning loss.  Especially with all we invested in DL last year, we shouldn’t be facing this choice.

It very much seems that there would be plenty of “demand” for virtual classrooms next year, both from parents uncomfortable sending their unvaxed kids during delta, and kids who should be isolating.  [/quote]

The answer is NOT to demand virtual, but to demand mandatory vaccination of staff/teachers, and to use rational quarantine policies that exclude the fewest kids possible- for example by rapid testing every day instead of sending them home. [/quote]

Mandatory vaccines, yes, absolutely, but because that is not feasible by September, bringing it up in every discussion is a bit of an unproductive derailment. What we need are solutions for September - December 2021.

Alas, the fewest kids possible quarantined, with delta's R0, is nothing less than a whole (unvaccinated) classroom. I don't think someone can twist the science to pretend otherwise, with what we know about how contagious delta is.

Rapid testing everyday YES YES YES! At this point, though, we don't even have "10% of a cohort tested each week," which is what the asymptomatic testing program had derived to in theory, but which we never even got, because families didn't opt in. So good luck convincing anyone of daily rapid testing.
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How is that a derailment to bring up mandatory vax? As soon as it starts the better. I think you’re going to be shocked to see the large number of staff that get covid. [/quote]

(1) the mayor won’t do it
(2) it won’t help much because we have 30 unvaccinated kids in a classroom

I’m all for it, but it doesn’t solve problem #2. [/quote]

Ok well how to we get the mayor to do it other than public pressure. Here we are.

Of course it will help - a huge percentage, still over half, of covid cases in school are staff and teachers. staff especially may create a huge issue because they come into contact with so many people — eg the security guard. Mandatory vax is THE most effective covid safety measure and it needs to be discussed.

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Plus I hate the number 2 argument because it means if someone is around ANYONE that's unvaccinated, it means you should just not care about anyone being vaccinated.  [/quote]
It helps, a bit, but I agree [u]there still are 30 unvaccinated humans in one room[/u], plus a vaccinated one. it's a total derailment, and a systematic one at that. It is the most effective covid safety measure, if it can be applied to everyone in the room. We are talking about those who cannot. I will start reporting the posts who bring up vaccinating teachers when we're talking about keeping unvaccinable children safe.[/quote]

please take a look at the *actual research and data* - which shows that adults have a disproportionate role in bringing covid into schools. this not only increases the risk of transmission to kids (and other staff) but also increases the disruption caused by quarantines. the fact that you’re trying to suppress conversations about mandatory vaccination makes me wonder about your agenda. if you have some data showing that vaccination of adults in school isn’t important  - let’s see it!  [/quote]
Actual research and data in classrooms? That sounds nice. You show me the actual research and data on delta transmission in classrooms with full systematic asymptomatic testing of students.
Adults are more likely to be symptomatic, and therefore more likely to be tested when there is no systematic asymptomatic testing program in place.
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Exactly. What we know from European studies where they actually tested children in schools is that children are just as likely to transmit COVID. [/quote]

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