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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's interesting how this debate is only about trans women.  Someone posted earlier upthread that no one cares about trans men.  It all makes sense in terms of men "invading" a female space - even when they present as women, men still feel they have the right to define women in terms that best suit their agenda.  We'd welcome you to the sisterhood with open arms if you weren't so intent on redefining an already occupied space. 
Get your own space!
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Basic TERFing right here. 
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No pp has a good point. Trans men seem totally fine with either, 1) being in a state of transition and being known as a Trans man, 2) using their female anatomy (menstruating/pregnancy) while presenting as a man and functioning as a trans man or 3) being fully transitioned and just being a man

Women are raised and conditioned to not intrusively take over spaces so I think this is women doing what they’re socialize to do and easing into being men. And trans women do what men do, intrusively enter and take over the space without carrying much about what was happening before they got there.
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Just stop.

How many trans people do you know or interact with on a regular basis?

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This is exactly the kind of militant response that is wrong here.  People can support ending discrimination of trans people and advocate for them without having to completely agree with you that they are the same as other women.  They are not.  The experience of a trans woman is not the same as those of us who were born genetically female.  It. just. isn't.    Just because I acknowledge these difference does not mean I do not have compassion or that I do not want trans people to be accepted and safe and loved.

You don't get to tell us to "just stop".  Stop with your thought policing.  You hurt the cause, not help, when you just try to shut down discussion.[/quote]

It was a vile comment - not sure why you are trying to defend it.

And go re-read it - PP isn't advocating for trans people in any way. 
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I'm the person who made the vile comment. I don't understand how it was vile. I extrapolated how boys and girls are conditioned and raised in this country to how, respectively, trans men and trans women have tried to integrate themselves post transition. It really isn't a comment about trans people at all, its a comment about how we raise boys and how we raise girls and how those differences manifest in trans people who, uniquely, travel from one set of norms and expectations to the other. [/quote]

Wow - your generalizations are pretty f-ed up all around.  :shock: 
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You don't think women in American society are raised to be peacemakers and to put their own needs second? And that men are raised to be more confident and assertive and that this has direct advantages in many situations, mostly in the workplace. This is a large acknowledged problem, its why women don't ask for raises. It contributes to the wage gap among other gender inequalities. This is not a controversial observation. Applying it to trans people may be, but the core observation is, IMO, basically taken as fact these days. [/quote]

That is not my experience AT ALL. And certainly not something to take "as fact".  :shock: 
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That not being your anecdotal experience and it existing as a systemic problem across this country are not mutually exclusive possibilities. But you are proving that, regardless of how much you know about transgender people's needs in the advocacy space, you do not know enough about feminism and women's advocacy to be lecturing others on how it does no harm to women to erase the word 'woman' from women's issues. [/quote]

It's not about anecdotal experiences, it's about extreme, inaccurate generalizations to put down others. This generalization does not apply to any trans people I know and it's really quite absurd to use a defense because you inexplicably feel threatened by people who pose no threat to you.

Again, this is classic TERF: 
[i]"It all makes sense in terms of men "invading" a female space - even when they present as women, men still feel they have the right to define women in terms that best suit their agenda.  We'd welcome you to the sisterhood with open arms if you weren't so intent on redefining an already occupied space. 
Get your own space!"

"And trans women do what men do, intrusively enter and take over the space without carrying much about what was happening before they got there."
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