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What the Google guy was trying to say is that it is not realistic to have outreach to women for STEM because they have traits that make them not good at engineering.

When a woman has to work with a man who says women are biologically not as good at engineering it creates a hostile workplace.

He was not fired for stating a viewpoint, he was fired because his statements (not based in science) is hostile. [/quote]

That is not what he said.

[quote=James Damore]The Harm of Google’s biases

[b]I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I think we should strive for more.[/b] However, to achieve a more equal gender and race representation, Google has created several discriminatory practices:

Programs, mentoring, and classes only for people with a certain gender or race [5]
A high priority queue and special treatment for “diversity” candidates
Hiring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by decreasing the false negative rate
Reconsidering any set of people if it’s not “diverse” enough, but not showing that same scrutiny in the reverse direction (clear confirmation bias)
Setting org level OKRs for increased representation which can incentivize illegal discrimination [6]

These practices are based on false assumptions generated by our biases and can actually increase race and gender tensions. We’re told by senior leadership that what we’re doing is both the morally and economically correct thing to do, but without evidence this is just veiled left ideology[7] that can irreparably harm Google.

[b]Have an open and honest discussion about the costs and benefits of our diversity programs.[/b]

Discriminating just to increase the representation of women in tech is as misguided and biased as mandating increases for women’s representation in the homeless, work-related and violent deaths, prisons, and school dropouts.
There’s currently very little transparency into the extend of our diversity programs which keeps it immune to criticism from those outside its ideological echo chamber.
These programs are highly politicized which further alienates non-progressives.
I realize that some of our programs may be precautions against government accusations of discrimination, but that can easily backfire since they incentivize illegal discrimination.

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It's clear that promoting a marginalized group over others is discrimination,[i] [u]its just not illegal discrimination when it is done for protected classes[/u][/i].

None of what he wrote said it is unrealistic to have outreach to women, please provide a quote.

Instead he "suggest[ed] ways to address them to increase women’s representation in tech and without resorting to discrimination". He readily admits sexism (discrimination) occurs (its in the opening line of his essay).

Nor do I recall him saying that [u]all [/u]female engineers at google have traits that make them bad engineers (which appears to be what you feel he is implying), but we already disagree on that interpretation and won't have a productive discussion on that point.

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