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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This has brought to light some huge failures in pilot training.  I think it’s fair to consider is this is related to intentionally filling more women into these roles that were previously closed.  Did that alter training standards? Or is it something else that has caused this massive training failure? Is it that they were trained properly but the culture has changed pilots go off script and don’t follow standards because they feel over confident- and that’s become acceptable?

But the pilots of Vietnam could fly their bullet ridden low tech helicopters through gun fire, landing with ease between close trees,
where staying on the ground for seconds longer than absolutely necessary means low survival.  I think it’s care training standards have changed as well as acceptable practices when out of flight school [/quote]

Lol this is a glorified taxi service route. Are you suggesting that the military should only allow its very best seasoned fighter pilots to fly as taxis? Seems like a misuse of resources, no? [/quote]

I’m saying this route should have been zero problems for properly trained pilots [/quote]

The route is a problem for everyone. There are frequent near misses.  The taxi service needs to take another route or stop.  [/quote]
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The system “automatically communicates with all commercial aircraft within 12 miles of other aircraft,” and gives a voice warning 15- 30 seconds before a projected impact, but “does not provide warnings or course corrections below 1000 ft.”

Ok. So not exactly helpful near landing strips.

[/quote]No, it's not really designed to be used near an airport, down low, in a traffic pattern environment where planes are close to each other.  Even planes on the ground with their systems on will show as conflict alerts.  People are making too big of a deal about the electronic warning systems in planes and asking how they failed in this case.  Again, those systems are not designed for, or used in an airport traffic area.  They are used to warn of potential conflicts between two aircraft closing in on each other, or closer than they should be[u] at altitude[/u]. 
 This accident happened in clear visibility conditions.  The helo pilot asked for, and accepted a visual separation clearance after acknowledging that he had the traffic in sight.  That's normal and means they accepted the responsibility for maintaining visual separation.  Legal and situational responsibility.  That relieves the controller of issuing further traffic call-outs and allows him to shift his focus elsewhere.  It's like saying hey Helo pilot, you see him, you got this?  Yeah Mr. Controller, I see him, I've got this, I'll take it from here.  A traffic alert to the CRJ cockpit is useless at that point.  There is very little in the way of evasive action a jet can take on short final, wings heavily loaded, throttled back, flaps and slats out, descending.  It's not a fighter jet or even an airshow aerobatic plane that can perform snap rolls and bank away from danger in seconds.  It's more like trying to turn a container ship  or aircraft carrier in open seas.  There is some suggestion in a recent report that the pilot of the CRJ may have attempted to pull up at the last second which suggests he may have spotted the helo just before impact but that's not confirmed.  Either way, they just can't maneuver quickly enough to make any meaningful course correction.  This was all on the helo pilot.  Not the controllers and not any failure of the warning systems in either cockpit.  [/quote]

Agree 100%.  This is on the maneuverable helicopter who assumed all control, and insisted on visual, despite that they couldn’t see, and apparently couldn’t hear, and it’s on the Army - scheduling nighttime certification flights with zero room for error, in a busy civilian corridor where jets land every two minutes, and the standard approved path is to go underneath a landing passenger jet. I hope the military will never be allowed to fly their training flights on this path again. [/quote]

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