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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]curious if you are flying a BH and ATC says there is a jet coming your way is there an option to just hold where you are and ask ATC to let you know when jet passes? I am not sure if that is possible and creates other dangers but wondered why you have to do maneuvers like fly behind when maybe just easier to hold? I have zero understanding flying. Also like to add that it would be nice if people stop saying possible malice. All these pilots were known to be great people
with zero mental issues and this feels mean to any friends/family who may read DCUM when things like malice comes up. Thank you[/quote]

Yes.
Hover or flying around Haines point island again. 
For sure stop and figure out WTF the ATC is talking about if you’re eyeing a plane taking off to the north of you or the landing queue miles away from runway 1. [/quote]

Okay if this is the case then I think they had no idea of the danger and thought that other plane was the plane ie no need to stop. If they could stop etc it would be because they were concerned they didn’t see refereed plane. This is all very sad. [/quote]

Correct. 
No one said pause and no one paused to double check a thing. Very odd to not mentally process what ATC was saying over and over. The BH was lateraling fast too. [/quote]

Even so, they wouldn’t have hit if they had been flying the correct altitude. Every single black hawk pilot I’ve seen on TV that has talked about this has said it is well know that on this route, it is imperative altitude does not exceed over 200ft, or courses can collide and it has been this way for decades [/quote]

+1. We know. Something bad happened in or to the helo and or pilot team. Hopefully they find out and disclose it. [/quote]

Because of so many errors made, yet confirmed with ATC so close to collision, I have to think nothing bad actually happened, it is just a case of lack of training or just poor training.  I hope someone of combing through what these pilots are being taught [/quote]

DP. The more I think about this, the angrier I get. The blithe, automatic, almost reflexive requesting of visual separation when they should have known better and had more situational awareness, getting sloppy as they're flitting around in the landing path of a major airport, the arrogant assumptions by the military overall in ever requesting or allowing such helicopter routes in the first place and resting on their laurels that their "exceptional" training and piloting skills would never allow something like this to happen. And now 67 people are dead and it seems like pure luck that it didn't happen earlier. There had better be a transparent exposure of failures here and they better pay through the nose to compensate the families of the victims and American Airlines and the crews that had the horrible job of extracting wreckage and bodies from the Potomac. [/quote]

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