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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was.  Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space.  Anyone know what is actually required?[/quote]

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.[/quote]

Agree, not casting any blame, but appears the helo crew was quick to respond both times along the lines of "yeah yeah we got it, visual sep pls, thank you".

Some kind of a malfunction, maybe the altimeter will likely be the proximal cause.
We need to invest in finding ways to fail safely.
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Including if the copilot just flippantly responds with Yeah yeah yeah but didn't really have anyone do an aerial look or runway check.

We all have co-workers or family members who tune out, say Yes, and never do a thing. But that shouldn't be the standard response for a military pilot.[/quote]

It is not.  I know a lot of older military pilots and they’re extremely serious about safety at work. Most people don’t want to die, mitigating this risk is obviously a priority. And even more so when civilians are involved.

Granted, the pilot quality may have changed in recent years, though. You used to need an engineering degree to get a pilot slot, but now they’re taking Bible Studies majors. I’m not being sarcastic. I don’t know if this is because recruiting is so hard and so few people qualify, or if it’s the creepy takeover of Christofascsim.[/quote]

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