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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Problems that all lined up tragically:

Number one issue: Crowded airport with helicopters crossing into the flight paths of landing jets with little clearance room. This was standard, yes, but it diminishes room for human error or other issues, which needs to always be assumed in safety analysis. I can only aasume this will change after this incident

Plane was switched to a different run way and did a little turn that brought it into the black Hawks flight path

The new runway was shorter than the original runway and so the planes descent was likely steeper than if they’d landed on the original run way- again, bringing it into thr Blackhawk path at the worst moment

Plane and Blackhawk were talking to the same controller but on different frequencies so couldn’t hear each other or gain any sort of awareness that way

Blackhawk pilots likely had on night vision goggles which significantly reduces one’s field of vision and with city lights was probably distracting rather than helpful

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Weird how you left off the Required Flying altitude (200 fr max) and river positioning (east bank only) from your mumbo jumbo. [/quote]

Bc it’s not confirmed that that reading was correct. But in any event, I mentioned clearance above. If you fly, you would know 100 feet of clearance with only visual separation is ridiculous and should not be the standard. I can only hope that this will change. 
You must be a sad, unhappy and uneducated person to want to run to blame the pilots for an issue that was an overall system failure. [/quote]

They had Navs in their craft Pp. They aren’t flying around at a fast ground speed “eyeballing” 100 ft from a spot in the air.

And the helos altimeter could be broken or having issues. But doing 150 ft alt between the Dc bridges is more common than doing 250 or 300.

Anyhow- mechanical issue, pilot medical issue, pilot error, pilot plus team error.

The rest is accommodative rules and restrictions to mitigate rare mechanical, medical or pilot errors. Like river [/quote]

You missed the main point. [b]100 feet is not enough room for a jet and a helicopter to be intersecting without risk [/b]

As I stated above, there were a number of unfortunate things that lined up at the exact worst time but the elevation issue and night goggle usage are two obvious things that very likely need to be reassessed and fixed [/quote]

And clearly ATC agrees or they wouldn’t have told the Help to wait and go behind. If it were “enough” clearance, they’d have her let them go on their way without comment.

As I’ve said before I can’t decide which is worse: [b]gross incompetence, gross negligence, or malice[/b]. [/quote]

This is where the rubber meets the road here. [/quote]

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