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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]
It says % of muslims who want Sharia BUT NOT what percent of each country's population are muslims, which is more important. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if a country has only 1% of population who are middle east muslims, as in the USA. Statistics are only as good as the intelligence of the person who is reading it.[/quote]

Also, what is meant by "supporting Sharia" is not clearly defined. There is not a single version of "sharia" documented and in most countries which have implemented a version of "sharia", it is only for personal issues. Does it really matter that 90% of a country's Muslims support Sharia but that only means that they want to get married and divorced according to Islamic traditions?
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Doesn't Sharia Law mean the government makes people obey Sharia? We're not talking about people making personal decisions here. You know that.[/quote]

What is "Sharia"? Where is it documented? If a government "makes people obey Sharia", what does that mean? Does that mean that the government ordains beheadings and amputations or does it mean that weddings are conducted according to Muslims traditions? Everyone talks about "sharia" as if it is documented like the US Constitution. That is not the case. In fact, discussing it that way is one of the surest signs that the person discussing it is unformed about what it even is.
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Which part of the divorce laws are you in favor of?

http://info.legalzoom.com/sharia-law-divorce-20649.html

"When immigrants arrive in the United States, they bring the traditions of their faith with them. Sharia and its laws guide devout Muslims. Based on the teachings of the Quran and Mohammed, this Islamic code defines acceptable behavior in almost every aspect of a Muslim’s life, and it extends to ways in which a couple may end their marriage.

Divorce by Islamic Court

In many Muslim nations, the courts are set up to accommodate Sharia law through a process called “tafriq.” Depending on the country, the court may act in addition to a traditional Sharia divorce or in lieu of it. A couple can register with the court, notifying it that they would like to terminate their marriage. They’re then required to meet with a counselor over the course of a three-month period called “iddat.” The counselor will attempt to reconcile the couple before allowing them to move forward with divorce proceedings. If counseling fails, the couple’s divorce moves on to a judge, who will decide whether to permit them to end their marriage. (References 1, 2 and 5)

Talaq Divorce

Before approaching an Islamic court for a legal divorce, a couple may already have divorced by the traditional terms of “talaq.” This involves a husband notifying his wife three times that he is divorcing her. After he does so the third time, the divorce is final. A wife might also have the right to divorce her husband this way if she included the provision in her marriage contract. Some countries, such as Kuwait, allow talaq by electronic means, such as a text message or email. After making the pronouncement, the couple can proceed to court for tafriq if they choose, or they may simply be content with a talaq divorce. If they go to court and the husband denies that he’s committed talaq, the marriage continues. If he admits it, the legal divorce proceeds.

Khula Divorce

“Khula” is a mutual divorce under Sharia law. It involves a woman paying her husband to gain his permission to allow her out of the marriage. Payment can be monetary or through some service provided to him. Her family might return his dowry to him, the goods or payment they received in exchange for their daughter as his wife. If he accepts, the divorce can move on to court for the tafriq process.

Iddat

Some Muslim nations require a wife to submit to a period of iddat after a divorce, and the three-month counseling period of a tafriq divorce accommodates this. The three months coincide with three menstrual periods to prove that she is not pregnant. Traditionally, she is not to leave her home during these months, so she cannot conceive by another man during this time. If her husband decides he does not want a divorce after all, he can resume marital relations with her during iddat, [b]with or without her agreement[/b]. If he does so, the divorce is off. If he doesn't, they are divorced.

Application in U.S.Courts

Other than the provisions of khula for a mutual divorce, Sharia law does not ordinarily address issues of property division or child custody. In the United States, however, couples must address these issues to receive a legal divorce. According to both CBS News and “Sharia Law and American State Courts,” American courts are increasingly considering the fundamentals of Sharia law when making divorce decisions for Muslim couples, even when those tenets fly in the face of the Constitution and individual state laws.

I'm sorry, I thought it was a given that we were talking about making Sharia the law of the land, the government's law. Isn't that what people mean when they say they want sharia law -- not that they are free to marry and divorce and punish based on their own personal beliefs, but that everyone must do the same because that is the official law of the land? Come on, you know that's what the discussion is about.

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