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[quote=Anonymous]I agree with all of this. When they showed the clip of her dismissing Landon with the F#%$ off and the dismissive wave of her hand it just emphasized how frequently that is her go to phrase when people call her on things. She loves to do that hand wave/obscenity combo as the answer to everything. She's a nutter with substance abuse problems. I do feel very sorry for their children because dad's no better.

Cameron and Shep are the only sane ones. Shep may be a stunted frat boy, but he's smart and basically seems very nice if immature. Cameron is perfectly normal and I respect her for not getting more drawn into the TRav/ Katherine mess. She may be a bit boring as a result, but that's fine. I find her observations to be true and pretty funny.

I am amazed at the number of people who defend Katherine. Can someone please share what you find her good qualities to be? [/quote]

It's not that I think she has some great qualities. I don't, really. But she's not so much worse than most of the rest of them and I don't like hypocrites, or [b]people who are unkind to others[/b]. [i]Kathryn is kind to no one.[/i] Cameran wasn't exactly a model of refinement when she was on Real World as a young 20-something. [i] But Cameran didn't bring two lives into the world. If Kathryn was just in her 20s and acting stupid, I don't think anyone would have an issue with her. [/i] Landon is every bit as unemployed as Kathryn. [i] But Landon is educated and could work. She was married and it didn't work out and now has to find her way. Landon is also not a druggie. She'll get her life together eventually. Kathryn is just getting by on her looks and high school education. [/i] Pat and Whitney are every bit as financially dependent on others as Kathryn (Pat "earned" her money through some strategic marriages, and Whitney is the beneficiary of her "talent"). I bet Pat wasn't at home tucking in wee Whitney every night, abstaining from alcohol and cooking his meals and giving him each bath. She gets a pass why? Because she has superior manners, because she managed to get married to a wealthy man before having his child, because her family could pay for "help" so that she could be a socialite attending parties while someone else tended her child? [i] Pat was also a professor at GW. She lived the typical suburban mother life in McLean and ran her gallery in Georgetown. Literally, Pat is the polar opposite of Kathryn. Nothing wrong with strategic marriages. [/i]And Shep is every bit as sexually promiscuous as Kathryn and just as irresponsible with birth control. [i]What do you mean Shep is irresponsible with birth control?  Are you saying he has dozens of illegitimate children running around? [/i]And Thomas is every bit (if not more) unstable and addicted to substances. [i]Actually, Thomas is not. Even if he is unstable or a drunk, he's managed to build some massive weath through his businesses. He's also educated.[/i]

I tend to favor underdogs. I realize Kathryn made and continues to make bad decisions that have put her in the position she's in, but I don't think it's right to kick someone when they're down or to relish in someone else's collapse, even if your judgement of that person is being vindicated. That's just small, petty, and mean. There is nothing genteel about the way Pat, Whitney, JD, Landon, Cameran talk about Kathryn. She is a young 20-something who just had two babies in quick succession with a man who is mentally unstable, yet powerful and wealthy enough to carry through on his threats to ruin her life. Bad, bad choice, compounded by more bad choices on her part. But I have empathy for her. I was pretty dumb and irresponsible at her age. Not as dumb, nor as irresponsible. But still, I was no virgin tettotaller. If pot weren't illegal, I'd still partake. I have almost two decades of maturity on Kathryn, but I recognize that I may not have made the same choices I make now (such as forgoing illegal substances I once enjoyed for fear of jail and loss of custody) if I were single and hanging out with the circle of single partying friends I had at 20 and I had two nannies to leave the kids safely with for a night on the town. If Kathryn were independently wealthy (from family money) and more polished, or if she were a man, I don't think she's be subject to the same criticism as she is. All the criticism reads to me more like snobbishness/sexism rather than genuine concern for Kathryn, Thomas, or their kids.

I don't think anyone has really said anything bad about Kathryn. Everything they have said has been truthful. The only part that hurts is where she's not invited to parties and events,  and others avoid being around her. Everything they say - she's volatile, abusive, etc - is all true.

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