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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima]
No, that is not what I said. I said: You can not call for freedom of speech for cartoonist when you ban the freedom of a part of your population to dress and practice their religion as they see fit. The reasonings behind the niqab, the number of women forced to wear it, ex-muslim feminists are quiet frankly irrelevant since we are talking about freedom here. Why do states have the right to dictate how people dress and then come around and say we are a free open democracy, that is hypocritical. KSA and the so called "Muslim" countries you talk about do not go around labeling themselves as Free Open democracies and nobody sees them as such.[/quote]

You're missing the point. CH may be a pure issue of freedom of speech, but niqab-wearing is more complicated.  The niqab debate is NOT just about freedom of speech. It is VERY relevant to bring the reasons women wear the niqab into the conversation, and whether they are in fact wearing it freely, as well as issues of national mores.

Also, you don't get that we're talking about two sides of the same coin: You can't call for burka wearing and muzzling CH in the same breath.

[quote=Muslima] your second point about violence, again, stop misquoting me,  that is not what I said. The point was it is IDIOTIC to continue reprinting the cartoons just thinking that will make a change. You think people who are willing to kill will just say: "Oh, they are republishing the cartoons, we will stop killing people"?  The West will always talk about freedom but are they objective? In the UK, an advert showing a pregnant nun having ice-cream was banned because according to The Advertising Standards Authority, “it mocked Roman Catholic beliefs”. An Australian man was charged with mooning Britain's Queen Elizabeth II .  And finally, even if you / Newspapers or any one Mock Islam / Muslims , We and what Yasser has been trying to consistently repeat is that we do not respond to it with violence. So your Entire attempt to debate into  violence..is like a senseless argument with yourself Not with some one else. Nobody defended it, in fact we keep trying to tell people not to be provoked, and responding with violence is a hypocrisy because its against the teachings of islam.[/quote]

Sorry, you never said what you're now claiming you said (that the idiocy involves expecting change). Here is what you actually said: " At the same time, it is also idiotic to continue provoking a group of people who have a long list of their own internal and external political and social grievances that stretch back for many decades (here I mean the N. African Muslim population of France), and then expect that nothing will happen." Your quote is right above, and everybody can check for themselves.

Please, just stop with the nonsense about how the cartoons were designed to "provoke people to violence". The cartoons were a form of expression, no more, no less. But your rephrasing about how they were intended to "provoke violence" once again shifts the blame from the violent people to their victims.[/quote]

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