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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sorry to interrupt this thrilling but completely irrelevant discussion of 1960s food but this is the actual problem.[twitter]https://x.com/jreinermd/status/2029213077091037605?s=46&t=kf1qYlCXQnKgUhJWEIu2vg[/twitter][/quote]

The discussion of 1960s food was meant to refute a favorite anti-vaxxer talking point: that our “advancements” in food and sanitation led to the decline in measles deaths and complications, and not the fact that we started vaccinating people.

In short - the early 1960s was better in almost every way the crunchies value, and kids died. A lot of them. They didn’t stop dying en masse until we started vaccinating en masse. As we are seeing now, all the hygiene in the world isn’t moving the needle - we are seeing complications at the exact rate we’d expect from past experience. [/quote]

Are you going to just pretend that measles deaths and infections weren't dropping going into the 1960s? What caused the death rate to go from 12/100k to 0.21/100k in the years prior to the vaccine? Why do you dismiss the 11.79/100k drop, while holding the 0.21 drop as some sort of miracle? [/quote]
Why do you seem so determined to go back to where we had that many deaths? Were measles cases declining before the measles vaccine was introduced? Yes, they were—and that’s a fact worth acknowledging. But the rate of decline after vaccination dwarfed anything we saw before. While we saw gradual improvements over decades, the introduction of the vaccine in 1963 triggered a stunning 97% drop in just five years.[/quote]

1. Measles was already heading towards elimination/near elimination without a vaccine. Maybe it would have taken to the 70s/80s to get there, but we would have gotten there.
2. The MMR vaccination is not without risk. Read the package insert. There may be additional risks that aren't covered in the insert that people are still trying to figure out.
3. It therefore becomes questionable if the measles vaccine actually results in a net increase in health over the long term. [/quote]

One obvious side effect of measles vaccination is that it let idiots like you live long enough to say completely stupid, made up crap.

The short bus has rolled in, everyone. Point and laugh. [/quote]

What does your last paragraph about the short bus mean exactly?

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You know what it means. Or you don’t. Antivaxxers aren’t known for their intelligence. [/quote]

Yes, I do know. I’d like to hear from the poster why they needed to make a joke about people with disabilities to make their point. And instruct them to point and laugh. I’d like to hear what about that is funny to them? Exactly. [/quote]

What’s funny? Nothing is funny about a stupid anti-vaxxer killing their kids. What’s funny is that they bought into the wellness grift and truly believe they are smart. Laugh at them folks. And maybe figure out a way to rip them off. If you tell these bone-beads they’re smart, they’ll empty your pockets for your snake oil. [/quote]

Ok. Say that and leave people with disabilities out of it. No need to punch down. It ruins your credibility because you turn into an a-hole.[/quote]

Anti-vaxxers are generally low intelligence or mentally ill, and low intelligence and mental illness are both disabilities. I’m absolutely punching down. Someone needs to put them in their place. The mommy bloggers and wellness grifters have them thinking they are smarter and saner than they have any claim to be, and as a result they are killing their kids.
If someone needs to remind them every day they are too low intelligence or too incompetent to be making decisions for themselves let alone innocent children, I am happy to be that ass*le. [/quote]

Congratulations then.[/quote]

You can keep trying to reason people out of a position they never reasoned themselves into because they lack the capacity to reason. I personally don’t see the need to “gentle parent” adult toddlers. [/quote]

I am pro vaccine so I understand the frustration with antivaxxer nuts. Why someone has to disrespect and ridicule people with disabilities to make a point, when they have been this society’s punching bag as it is, makes no sense and is cruel. I will call it out every time I see these (even self-proclaimed) a-holes do it. [/quote]

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