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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]some myth busters from a Cal alum and Cal father:

1. it's not hard to get classes at Cal, especially for your major.  the only impediment to a 4-yr graduation is rigor - cal is hard AF!  in fact, there's a saying here in the bay area:  it's hard to get into stanford, but easy to get out; it's easy to get into berkeley, but hard to get out.  this makes perfect sense - stanford and the ivies rely on student satisfaction for endowment so they need to tread carefully when hazing their students.  Cal gets funding regardless so they can be much more tiger momish.

2. professors do the lectures and grad students (GSIs) conduct small group discussions.  this is more or less similar to privates.

3. it's easy to get research opportunities at cal, even for ones unrelated to your major.  my buddy did a bunch of athro research as an engineering student. tbh, however, cal puts so much on your plate it's hard to find time to do research.

4.  most of your classes at cal will be 25-30 students.  imo, perfect size.  any less, i feel like you're being deprived of diversity of ideas and experiences.

5. professors have office hours so there's plenty of opportunity to get to know your professors.  how do you think cal sends more students to grad schools than any university in the country?

6.  transfer students are amazing, hard working, and just as talented as traditional students.  I was a transfer and had no problems getting a high gpa.  same goes for my transfer colleagues.  in fact, we tend to work harder because we have a chip on our shoulders.

7.  berkeley is indeed on par with the HYPSMLGBT whatever.  don't get mad at us for believing so, get mad at the rankings.  only one ranking has cal outside of the top ten.  times higher education considers cal as one of the world's elite six along with cabridge, oxford, mit, stanford, and harvard.

lastly, to answer the question posted by the original poster, save your money and go to cal.  your kid will be challenged, but he/she will be better for it in the end.  forbes came out with an article last year detailing the growing disillusion companies have with private schools due to the over-coddling and lack of real world education they're giving their students.  you should check it out. [/quote]

As a LSJU alum, this is some massive amount of cope.  No one at HYPS legitimately thinks of Cal as on par for undergrad.  It's why the vast majority go to HYPSM vs Cal as evidenced by Cal's mediocre yield.  Cal if anything has to rely more on student satisfaction for funding with a paltry $3.1B endowment, but they choose not to as professors care more about research.

There's nothing to be proud of to say your school treats you poorly as some euphemism for "rigor".  At Google, we hire more from Stanford on a per capita basis and within the applicant pool than Berkeley as well.  Always has been.[/quote]

Yeah, keep telling yourself you work at Google.  What is up with this website?  I’m pretty new here and notice a lot of people lying their behinds off just to prove a point — and you can tell they’re lying coz they’re spewing a festering mass of nonsense.

No HYPS grad thinks Cal is on par with them at the undergraduate level?  Like, you’ve actually spoken to them? You really think that they think EECS, engineering, CS, business, physics, mathematics, psychology, etc students at Berkeley are inferior?  Do you know that for some of these majors, not only you must navigate Cal’s overall admission rate, then you have to prove yourself the first two years to be able to major in them?

As someone who met Ivy League transfers at Cal and new people at Stanford, I can assure you that while that might be the mindset for some as ignorant high school students, that attitude quickly changes the moment they get to university and meet people from other schools and see their curriculum.  It’s completely gone by the time they start working and see themselves surrounded by elite public school grads at some tech company.  You can ask any Stanford kid right now who knows anything about Berkeley and he will readily admit that Berkeley is the more rigorous school.  This is common sense around here.  And it’s not for lack of resources to help students, but premeditated hard arse curriculum.  I once asked a GSI in an introductory logic course if they covered the same crap.  His response was, “lol no, wee never covered this at Dartmouth — this is beyond introductory stuff.”

Berkeley sends more people to tech than any other school and hiding behind exclusivity will not exonerate Stanford and the ivies from that fact. The easiest thing to do is gobble up the highest achieving nerds and send them to places they would’ve gotten to regardless of what school they went to.  The true barometer of a great institution is how well it uplifts people from all sort of social classes.  Nobody does that better than Berkeley, Michigan, ucla, UNC, etc.

Lastly, I fail to see what yield rate has anything to do with Cal’s near-mythical prestige.  There’s plenty of reasons why people choose to attend a school.  Some might want to be closer to home, some might like snow, some might like sun and the beach, some might like rigor, some prefer balance — but one thing you’ll never hear anyone say when explaining why they chose a school over Berkeley is because it has better academics than Berkeley.  Unless the other options are MIt, Stanford, and maybe Harvard, there’s almost no subject where you pick a school over Berkeley because of academics.  Facts. [/quote]

Near mythical prestige? lolz.  Pathetic.  Go look up berkeley's career website.  It's placement relative to the hundreds of EECS grads a year is underwhelming.  The thread title HYPS vs Berkeley.  That's what we are discussing.

You're free to meet me at MTV or MP Google campus anytime you want.[/quote]

Maybe they’re too busy creating more startups than any school in the country.  Again, Stanford can’t keep hiding behind its exclusivity.  I pose a challenge to Stanford:  admit more students and let’s see if you maintain a level of excellence comparable to Berkeley.  [/quote]
Stanford isn’t posing anything- it’s an elite school with elite alumni and elite academic programs.[/quote]

Not saying it’s not.  But let’s face it, for much of their existence together, Berkeley was considered the more prestigious school.  It if weren’t for us news, perhaps that perception would never have changed.  Berkeley has more Nobel prize, it has more top 10 programs, it sends more to grad school, it sends more to tech, maybe even finance, it has a much more illustrious history, it has more discoveries and innovations, and we have an Oscar winning film (Stanford has that whack movie with tom Hank’s son).  Stanford and its ilk are just hiding behind their exclusivity. [/quote]
Berkeleys just a massive public school. There’s nothing really that unique other than California’s commitment to good funding and the club culture. Berkeley is a research institution that really suffers in its undergraduate education.[/quote]

How does Berkeley suffer at the undergraduate level?  It sounds Len you’re just using anti-Berkeley/public school talking points.  U.S. News measures five major undergrad programs and Berkeley is ranked top three in almost all of them.   Berkeley grads enjoy the highest salaries of any public school.  Berkeley sends more to grad school than any school in the country.  It’s recognized for producing more startups at the undergrad level than any school in the country. I don’t know how much mote achievements they need for you to admit they’re just better than most schools not named mit, Harvard, and Stanford.  [/quote]

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