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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Americans don't want a little control. The majority of them don't want any control. Sure, they sympathize with the victims, but for most Americans, as long as they're not the ones being shot at or killed, they will defend the constitution and sit back feeling that they are safe, and that they have the right to blow someone's head off if they feel the slightest bit threatened. [/quote]

Show me any credible poll showing a majority of Americans are fine with the status quo of mass shootings and don't want any gun control.  Every poll I have ever seen says a solid majority DOES want gun control.  Instead we're being fed fabrications, fictions, fantasies as gun lobby propaganda.[/quote]

You're mistaken.  Most people want fewer mass shootings, but there is no agreement around the causes or cures.  Some think firearms "cause" shootings, while other think people operating firearms illegally bear responsibility.  I wonder if the people who think that firearms "cause" mass shootings also think that retail stores and banks "cause" robberies because they have cash on hand?  Do computers "cause" cybercrime, or are they merely instruments used by some criminals as well as by people who are law-abiding?  Shall we "control" all computers, because billions of dollars are lost annually to cybercrime?

Criminals, whether mentally ill, addicted, or just sociopaths, are the problem, not the mechanisms they use to facilitate criminal conduct.[/quote]

Why do you persist in your failed tactics and rhetoric?  Let’s clear this up with facts, not analogies.

The claim that “most Americans don’t want any control” or that there is a vast, irreconcilable gulf in consensus around approaches is flatly contradicted by every major national poll. For example, the 2025 Johns Hopkins National Survey of Gun Policy found that 74% of Americans support laws requiring gun owners to lock up firearms when not in use, including 62% of gun owners and 65% of Republicans.  https://publichealth.jhu.edu/center-for-gun-violence-solutions/national-survey-of-gun-policy That’s not fringe, it’s broad, bipartisan consensus.

And this isn’t cherry-picking, it's consistently found across poll after poll after poll by numerous independent organizations. For example, Pew Research consistently shows that majorities support background checks, red flag laws, and restrictions on high-capacity magazines. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/24/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns

Americans may have some differences on the how, but your insistence they’re at complete odds on approaches, or opposed to any form of gun regulation is a myth perpetuated by absolutist gun lobby rhetoric, which you keep trying to inject into this thread even though it's repeatedly been debunked and disproven.

As for the analogy: comparing firearms to computers or cash is a category error. Guns are lethal by design. Their primary function is to exert force, unlike computers or currency, which become dangerous only through misuse. That’s why public health experts treat gun violence as a means-access problem, not just a behavioral one. Limiting access to lethal tools in high-risk contexts isn’t about blaming the tool, it’s about preventing harm.

So yes, criminals pull the trigger. But policy isn’t about moral blame; it’s about risk reduction. And the public overwhelmingly supports that. Just stop pretending otherwise, because you don't have any solid or credible basis for your rhetoric.[/quote]

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