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Trump is an embarrassment. [/quote]

Carney is awesome. He is astute and has just enough sense of humour to acknowledge that he hears stupid, but enough class not to necessarily engage it. He did it during the debates. I like him more daily. [/quote]

Carney is what a smart and economically astute politician actually looks like, not this brain dead, obese orange lump America’s idiots elected. [/quote]

Carney backed himself into a corner in order to win an election. He *could* have given himself an out to try to become Australia with a strong commodity export economy, but the environmentalists on his left would never have elected him. So he’s also all in on ESG BS.

Make no mistake about it, Canada’s economy makes no sense if it cannot export en mass to the USA. There is no other market for Canada and transport costs across an ocean in either direction make it hard for Canada to replace the USA as a destination market. Even if you can get past that, you need to find a trade partner willing to run trade deficits in your favor (good luck!).

He said what he had to say to win an election. And his posturing is certainly cathartic for those that hate Trump. But it is going to be hard for any future American leader for the next few decades to engage in trade agreements. Obama was blocked on TPA and free trade is only going to be more radioactive for the next few decades in American politics.

Meanwhile, Carney is playing a dangerous game with no clear end other than having gotten him elected. He can’t possibly strike a deal with Trump and the USA without shooting himself in the face. So what is the end game?  He can and will make life more difficult for Trump, but there is no winning move available on the chess board. [/quote]
Your argument would make sense if the US were demanding something specific in the way of a “trade deal”.  But we aren’t.  Trump tore up his own negotiated agreement from 2017 but has never articulated what he wants from Canada, other than the ridiculous 51st state BS.  So Carney really has no basis or reason to negotiate with the US.[/quote]

Respectfully, you don’t get it. YES, this trade folly is hurting America but it is hurrying everybody else so much more.

The morality of who tore up what is meaningless. Eventually Trump will ask for something but Carney cannot possibly cut a deal with Trump given the posture Carney has taken. He can try to wait out until the 2028 election, but there are no guarantees there and there will be incalculable damage to the Canadian economy in the meantime. I also don’t believe that free trade is going to be a winner in American politics for a long time. Before Trump even sniffed the levers of power Obama was humiliated internationally by our Congress with the failure of fast tracking authority and the TPA.

I really like Canada and Canadians; I have no desire for them to become the 51st state. But this isn’t a relationship of equals and they need us a whole lot more than we need them. The Mexican president has done a much better job trying to thread the needle of asserting her country’s interests without setting down red lines that are impossible for her to cross at a later date. But, then again, she was not facing an election. So I get why Carney has taken his posture. But he’s backed himself into a corner he can’t get out of. [/quote]
Your key statement is: “Eventually Trump will ask for something”.  But so far the administration has not advanced any demand or offer.  They levied tariffs for literally no reason.  Trump wants tariffs for no better reason than that his hero McKinley raised tariffs in the 1890’s.  In this situation Canada has no option other than to live with the new tariffs and seek increased exports to the EU, China, and Japan.[/quote]

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