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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]One big problem for the Hill middle schools is that 5th is the only significant entry year for Latin and Basis.  You can always “try” Latin or Basis for a year or two and then switch back to your in-bound middle school.  But you cannot do the reverse.  This results in a lot of people with some inclination to attend the nearby school gradually deciding to at least participate in the 5th grade charter school lottery and then further deciding to try Latin/Basis for 5th grade.  Repeat.[/quote]

100%. The biggest change I’d like to see to DC schools is ending DCPS & charter ESes in the same year. The current model is absurd and terrible for DCPS, which should frankly be the priority.

That said, this is exactly us. Our IB is SH and we’re actually not sure if we’d prefer it or BASIS, but will send our kid to BASIS if we lottery in, because if she hates it, she could still not only go to SH but start on time.[/quote]

Yes, and? It is called school choice, not design your own school. You have an option to match at BASIS or Latin in 5th. You also have an option to return to SH if you are unhappy. What is laughable is the ignorance of your unbridled privilege in having SH as a fall back and objecting to BASIS and Latin having the audacity to cater to all kids in DC, and not just those privileged enough to be IB for SH. [/quote]

The point is that it's a bad design for school choice for what's best for DC overall. It creates an added incentive for kids to leave their IB schools that is bad for DC overall. My whole point is that I will take advantage of it and it is, in fact, good for me personally (i.e., despite what you say, [b]it *does* cater for SH families with good lottery luck[/b]). [b]But it is not good for DC[/b]. In any case, I don't fault BASIS or Latin at all for starting in 5th when it's an available option. I fault the city for setting it up that way. (And FWIW I would also be fine with all DCPS / DCPCS middle schools starting in 5th instead, I just think the two different entry years is a bad model. DC *has* moved towards standardizing entry and exit years at DCPSes, they should just do it for DCPCSes as well.)[/quote]

Your self-centeredness astounds. You view the world through the prism of your own experience and opportunity. BASIS and Latin do NOT exist for the benefit and pleasure of SH. You want kids to remain in 5th at their ES because your ES is good (for you). There are a lot of ES in DC that kids cannot escape fast enough. You can't see that with your "me" blinders on. You see only your path, your ES, your SH path.

You are also ignorant of actual enrollment data. Yes, there are a lot of SH catchment kids at BASIS and Latin. But, notwithstanding what your neighbors tell you, it isn't remotely comprised of all those kids. Not remotely. I find it amusing that you and the Deal/JR/W3 fool both have impressions of BASIS and Latin that don't reflect reality. Yet you both speak with certainty formed from your own experience and and hubris and ignorance that simply won't let you for a moment consider that not everyone is you or your similalry situated neighbors. [/quote]

You don't seem great at reading comprehension. The part you bolded and what you replied with have almost nothing to do with each other. I said that the current approach *was* good for families w/ passable DCPS MS options (including, FWIW, Deal) & good lottery luck, but not for others. You appear to think I said the opposite. [b]Schools having 50% turnover in the final year of ES are good for no one[/b], least of all the students left behind. I also noted that I'd be equally happy with DCPSes ending in 4th, so I'm not looking to necessarily keep kids in DCPS ES longer. That said, you don't even once think about the kids who want to "escape" to charter MSes and can't, so if anyone has blinders it's you. There is literally not a single word in what you wrote that explains why it benefits they system to have different starting years for MSes.[/quote]

Nope. Yet again you chime in to prove to us that you understand only your own experience and ES school options. There are a LOT of kids in ES in DC who benefit greatly from getting out ASAP. This is what you seem unable to comprehend. We get it; YOUR school is harmed by kids leaving in 5th. YOUR school would be filled with kids at or above grade level if those kids remained. That it not how it is for everyone and BASIS and Latin are not designed merely for people with your options and privilege.

This has now been explained to you several times, yet you cannot see it or anything beyond your world view and experience. It is sad and funny. But mostly sad. [/quote]

I don’t understand how changing the starting year for BASIS and Latin prevents kids from getting out of bad elementary schools in fifth grade. You could still lottery to a different school in 5th grade if you want, just not those two.[/quote]

I thought turnover at 5th grade was bad for EVERYONE.[/quote]

Awww, you beat me to it! Funny how they went from "bad for everyone" to "they can just leave for 5th somewhere else". The reason, as we all can see, that they are ok with kids leaving for 5th grade from other schools but not their own is that they like their 5th grade option, so they want to leave the option to get the benefit of BASIS/Latin without having to forego their 5th grade ES. Also, would they care to tell us which excellent 5th grade options are available to people in failing ES if BASIS/Latin are not available? I'll wait. [/quote]

The majority of kids at BASIS and Latin came from schools with solid 5th grades, FWIW. This fantasy that people are coming from Ward 8 IBs is… fantasy.[/quote]

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