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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]New law: all pro-life women should be implanted with supernumerary  embryos- particularly the defective ones - and forced to carry them to term. Then they can surrender them as Barrett said. Just take the nausea, the back-pain, the swelling and weight gain, the  labor pain, the bleeding and perhaps the sorrow of giving birth to a dead baby.

If you are reaaaaly in danger we may consider termination but only if you are really 5 min from death…and if it’s too late, oh well, you’re going to Heaven so whatever right?

It is their body, but it’s in the interest of the state to get all those “domestic babies” born, so it’s the state choice.

That’s how insane the idea that the State can control a woman body is.

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All of this actually happened to me--well, I wasn't 5 minutes from death, but did carry a baby whose condition was incompatible with life to term, and while not pro-life, I am still sickened by people's dramatic stories and arguments that are without fact and clearly devalue the overall issue at risk here: a woman's right to choose-- no matter what![/quote]

This literally makes no sense. Pregnancy can be very dangerous and kill women. Why would you think stories about medical emergencies “devalue” abortion rights? Is this some weird talking point?[/quote]

The point is that if you always focus on the cases where abortion was needed to protect the life of the mother, you suggest that where that isn't the case, it might ok to ban it.

I screened positive for a genetic defect with my second pregnancy.  If the screening was accurate, the child would have likely been severely disabled.  I had another child and need to work to support my family, and I was going to terminate if it was confirmed by amniocentesis (it wasn't, it was a false positive).  There was no threat to my life but my life would have been severely messed up if I wasn't able to make that choice.[/quote]

Well said.

I think it is a huge accident to go straight to "medical emergencies" (or even rape and incest) to try to convince people on this issue.

The problem is not that people will disagree with you. It's that almost everybody agrees on these points.

So what you have, instead of an argument that favors abortion as a choice, is a large group of people willing to work with you on how to improve the laws so that they can ensure that women with medical emergencies (or victims) can access them.

No pro-choice person actually, legitimately, wants to work on this issue. They want to say it is impossible to create such laws, but this is almost like a challenge to people who are pro-life. Do we want to challenge these people to create these kinds of laws?

No, let's be honest about what we want. We do not want someone in the position of having to terminate for medical reasons or for any other reasons to have to prove herself. But most of us (statistically in the U.S., I don't know about this forum) don't actually want women to be able to elect to abort healthy a healthy baby at 16 weeks or more. Looking at abortion laws from a global perspective, it would be absolutely reasonable to say abortion for any reason until 15 weeks, and after then for medical emergencies.

The fact that the extremes on both sides are so polarized that this is considered an unacceptable compromise on both sides is so damned frustrating to me. It's not helping anyone.[/quote]

This is bs. If I don’t want to raise a child with Down syndrome or spina bifida or whatever else is found via amnio/20-week scan, who are you or the state to force me to do so? It might not be damaging to my physical health, but it would have destroyed my mental health. Besides, this planet is already overpopulated. Do we really need all these unwanted/unhealthy children too? [/quote]

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