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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here's a novel thought for conservatives:

If you don't believe in abortions, DON'T HAVE ONE.

Leave everyone else alone.  Leave them their FREEDOM and LIBERTY you claim to support.  Their business is none of your business.[/quote]

It's not about your body, dumbass, it's about the other one living inside it. We protect children who cannot protect themselves. The right to life is constitutionally protected. [/quote]

[b]It isn’t another life until it can live outside of mine. It really isn’t that hard. [/b]Also I have to agree to the terms to grow it since it’s my body. Feel free to have your own.[/quote]

That argument is scary. No child could survive without assistance until years after birth. [/quote]
Of course children need “assistance after birth” but that “assistance” doesn’t need to come from the person in whose uterus it’s growing. That’s why adoption has always existed for women who choose it. [/quote]

Thats a distinction without a difference. If a life needing assistance from another life devalues the former, it doesn’t matter which life it needs assistance from. Again, a very scary argument to make especially when taken to its logical conclusion. [/quote]

It's a huge difference, actually.[/quote]

No, it isn’t. If life is devalued because it requires the assistance of others to be sustained, then it doesn’t matter what form that assistance takes. Otherwise, you are arguing that it is not okay to burden one body but it is okay to burden another body. [/quote]
Do you also favor requiring someone to give up an organ if someone else needs a transplant?[/quote]

If the person giving up the organ causes the need for the organ transplant in the first place, sure, I’d be open to that conversation. [/quote]

Rape victims don’t cause the need for abortion either. Or are you one of those weirdos who believe that rape victims bodies can shut down the pregnancy of it so chooses?

Also, I suspect you hold men harmless for pregnancy even though they cause 100% of all unwanted pregnancies. I can tell from your generalized misogyny [/quote]

And I’m the one accused of not arguing in good faith!  An abortion exception related to health and rape is fine with me.

I don’t excuse men from their part in this. [b]Society’s laws are such that the moment a man has sex he has consented to the responsibility of parenthood. Men don’t get a 9 month period to disclaim their offspring, control the planning of when and how to have children, etc.[/b]   Post-sex male family planning doesn’t even register as a concept in our society (nor should it ever).  The only legal manner a father can disclaim a child is after a birth mother decided to place the child for adoption. I have no problem with these laws and wish we had stronger legal mechanisms to make sure fathers provide at least monetary support for their children. [/quote]

What LAW is this? Bc the only laws I know of are the affidavit of parentage or DNA testing. Legally, he has no obligations to ANYONE until a child, who must be born and alive, is deemed "his" either by DNA and a judge or him self-certifying. [/quote]

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