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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Excess body fat is an objectively bad thing. There’s no use shaming people over it, but it’s an odd thing that people celebrate. Do we celebrate smoking? If you are obese, your body is not in good health. It’s strange that people are demanding we celebrate bad health, but I guess it makes people feel better.[/quote]
Why do you need to judge - bad thing, good thing? Who give you the right to decide who should celebrate what.[/quote]

Determining what is good and bad and collectively as a society celebrating or not celebrating things is sort of the core deal there. We don’t celebrate a lot of bad things. Like punching people in the eye randomly. That’s a bad thing. Not celebrated. Making a lot of unhealthy choices, also a bad thing. That’s the whole point of this discussion.[/quote]

Putting an overweight person in a fashion magazine is not celebrating unhealthy choices. We really need to uncouple the idea of encouraging healthy choices with promoting respect for all bodies. [/quote]
If you want to put unhealthy bodies in fashion magazines, that’s fine, it’s. But the OP was about body positivity, which means celebrating larger, unhealthy bodies. And it is undeniably odd to promote unhealthy living; it is no different from running “smokers are beautiful!” campaigns. There are objective measures of health, and obesity is an objective marker of bad health.[/quote]

I don’t think we are really debating about healthy non size zero women in fashion magazines. That is fine of course. We are talking about normalizing unhealthy behavior which is manifested in this country by obesity. It’s all over the place and a serious problem nobody has the guts to actually talk about lest you crack a few eggs to make that omelette. [/quote]
Eh. Crack as many eggs as you like, because the thing is, when you scratch that “health concerns” omelette, the insides are just fat shaming. Always. As much as you’d like to pretend it’s about “normalizing unhealthy behavior,” the fact is that there’s nothing inherently unhealthy about the behaviors of most fat people. [b]They exercise. They eat right.[/b] So what are you concerned about? Nothing. You don’t like obese people. [i]We know. [/i][/quote]

Not pp, but this lying BS needs to stop. I told myself the same things when I was obese, and it's easier to lie to yourself than to lie to others.

If fat/obese people want to have more empathy, then just be honest - you've had many years of eating far more than you burn (via exercise, BMR, etc), and losing weight is hard, and food can be overwhelmingly delicious. I get that. That's understandable. But come on pp, stop with the "they exercise, they eat right, they're just naturally obese" horseshit. [/quote]
It’s not lying BS. I’m sorry if you take it that way, but you have no idea, looking at an obese person, what their habits actually are. Even if they did take in more than they burnt, looking at someone does not mean you know how they actually live. You do not know how they eat, you do not know how they move. You have no evidence that they’re actually unhealthy, just as you have no evidence that the skinny person you’re looking at is healthy. They could be skinny obese.

Morbid obesity is correlated with unhealth, yes, but just being overweight appears to be health protective, and in a discussion like this, I don’t know your version of “fat,” or “obese” or “morbidly obese.”

PP I was responding to said that we’re “talking about normalizing unhealthy behavior which is manifested in this country by obesity.” And I call bull. ESPECIALLY in regards to models, many of whom have to resort to some of the most bizarre, unhealthy behaviors to retain their teenaged body build as they move into adult modeling. Shaming fatties does. not. work. It doesn’t. You aren’t talking about “unhealthy behaviors,” you just want to bag on fat people.[/quote]

More nonsense. And you can’t even get one narrative straight.

Obesity is a major issue. It is a thing because people eat garbage and don’t move. The medical profession is not a scam or a conspiracy on this. 40 years ago we had nowhere near the numbers of obese people. It’s all there in the data. [/quote]
Would you do me a solid? Would you read “Why We Get Fat”? Would you? It will really help you understand this, rather than you insulting me. [/quote]

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