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It’s 2021.  5% is the new 100%.  Right?  Also, the cheeseburgers made people eat them.

In short, we can’t even have this discussion if the conversation diverts to rare disorders to the exclusion of actually talking about the overwhelming majority. [/quote]
You really want to play this game? Metabolic syndromes include: cystic fibrosis, Tay Sachs, PCOS, maple syrup urine disease, phenylketonuria, tyrosinemia, sickle cell anemia.... you catch me, right? No, being overweight doesn’t cause most metabolic syndromes

Oh, you guys [i]misspoke[/i] and when you said “metabolic disorders” you just meant type 2 diabetes? Maybe. But some researchers theorize that there’s something else at play, that the pre-diabetes/diabetes exist and stimulate the person to eat, much like how kids start eating before a growth spurt.

Seriously, read the two books I linked to. I know you think fat is funny and entirely the fault of the fat monster walking around in it, but you’re not right. (And since I mentioned it, PCOS is another one that causes a person to gain weight vs gaining weight causes a person to develop it.) You guys just want so badly for fat to be the person’s fault entirely because you know that if it’s true that there are multiple factors at play - and 2/3 of the US being overweight/obese suggests there are - then you’re kind of a smug douche. I don’t brag that I don’t need wine and beer to get through my days. Instead of being a smug douche who can control herself around the sauce, I recognize that I get no reward from alcohol. I can take or it or leave it and I pretty much leave it. You... go the other way. [/quote]

All of this is incredibly narrow. If it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have historic rates of obesity. That wasn’t a thing as recently as the 1970s.  I guess it’s all a wild conspiracy and the human body itself changed in the last 40 years. Amazing. [/quote]
I’m not sure what you mean by “incredibly narrow.” I just enjoy pointing out where the fat shamers are wrongity wrong wrong.

I’ve posted a bunch on this thread and one of my other posts is that the low-fat/high-carb diet that was (and still is, sadly; some of you fat shamers have been scolding about fat people who have - gasp! - whipped cream) the doctor recommended diet for forty years is probably the main driver of the obesity epidemic. They effectively wrecked people’s diets by recommending people remove meats, sour cream, cheese and cream, fats for cooking/serving vegetables with, avocados, nuts, eggs and having them replace them with bread, generally. Back in the 80s, remember, the emphasis wasn’t on whole grain anything, it was on carbs and fruits and lean meats.

“But I’m a normal weight,” you might say. Bully for you! If you didn’t have the predisposition to blood sugar issues, I’m sure the low fat diet worked out great for you. Dr. Dean Ornish made an absolute killing, as did many other gurus. It just didn’t work for *most* people. [/quote]

Sounds great as an academic exercise. We are talking about the overwhelming majority. It’s eating garbage and not moving enough. That’s it.

If you want to spend hours noodling about narrow population segments and rare conditions, go ahead. It’s meaningless in the grand scheme of the question presented. [/quote]
That’s my point! The people who were predisposed to have a body that did not fare well with a low fat (and the relatively high carbs that went with it) diet is not a narrow population, at all. You can just take the loss and admit that “being overweight leads to metabolic disorder” is not remotely accurate, and if you want to claim that “being overweight leads to type 2 diabetes specifically,” we could still probably have a scientific debate about it. Think of your skinny, healthy, marathon running friends who developed gestational diabetes and now have a greater chance of developing type 2 diabetes. That’s a thing. Lots of skinny and people with just a few extra pounds are roaming around with pre-diabetes, too. [i]It’s not the weight.[/i]

Going back to the post I wrote to which you’re replying: basically we broke people’s bodies. Simply carbohydrates are simply not healthy for some people (they’re not healthy for anyone, really, but lots of people’s bodies can deal with them, no problem) and we were told, as a population, that there was no problem with it. [/quote]

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