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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Excess body fat is an objectively bad thing. There’s no use shaming people over it, but it’s an odd thing that people celebrate. Do we celebrate smoking? If you are obese, your body is not in good health. It’s strange that people are demanding we celebrate bad health, but I guess it makes people feel better.[/quote]
Why do you need to judge - bad thing, good thing? Who give you the right to decide who should celebrate what.[/quote]

Determining what is good and bad and collectively as a society celebrating or not celebrating things is sort of the core deal there. We don’t celebrate a lot of bad things. Like punching people in the eye randomly. That’s a bad thing. Not celebrated. Making a lot of unhealthy choices, also a bad thing. That’s the whole point of this discussion.[/quote]

Putting an overweight person in a fashion magazine is not celebrating unhealthy choices. We really need to uncouple the idea of encouraging healthy choices with promoting respect for all bodies. [/quote]
If you want to put unhealthy bodies in fashion magazines, that’s fine, it’s. But the OP was about body positivity, which means celebrating larger, unhealthy bodies. And it is undeniably odd to promote unhealthy living; it is no different from running “smokers are beautiful!” campaigns. There are objective measures of health, and obesity is an objective marker of bad health.[/quote]

I don’t think we are really debating about healthy non size zero women in fashion magazines. That is fine of course. We are talking about normalizing unhealthy behavior which is manifested in this country by obesity. It’s all over the place and a serious problem nobody has the guts to actually talk about lest you crack a few eggs to make that omelette. [/quote]
Eh. Crack as many eggs as you like, because the thing is, when you scratch that “health concerns” omelette, the insides are just fat shaming. Always. As much as you’d like to pretend it’s about “normalizing unhealthy behavior,” the fact is that there’s nothing inherently unhealthy about the behaviors of most fat people. [b]They exercise. They eat right.[/b] So what are you concerned about? Nothing. You don’t like obese people. [i]We know. [/i][/quote]

Not pp, but this lying BS needs to stop. I told myself the same things when I was obese, and it's easier to lie to yourself than to lie to others.

If fat/obese people want to have more empathy, then just be honest - you've had many years of eating far more than you burn (via exercise, BMR, etc), and losing weight is hard, and food can be overwhelmingly delicious. I get that. That's understandable. But come on pp, stop with the "they exercise, they eat right, they're just naturally obese" horseshit. [/quote]

Yeah the lying BS DOES NEED TO STOP. Stop lying that you care you care about anybody fat. You don’t.  PP was right. You don’t like fat people, obese people, overweight people, plus sized, people and any body that wants you to stop judging their physical appearance. So stop lying and stop with the BS with your fake “when I was obese...” NO fat person is lying to themselves, they know exactly who they are. And you did too “when you were obese”.[/quote]

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